Favorite Turbo/PCE fighting games

[runinruder]

Just talking about the one-on-one stuff here, not the brawlers.
 
List your top ten/five/two/one/whatever.  Here are my fab five:
 
#5 Godzilla
Excellent presentation, and controls that are much smoother than they're typically given credit for. 
 
#4 Kabuki Ittouryoudan
An SF2 clone, to be sure, but it feels great.  And, being a Kabuki Den fan, I love the cast of characters. 
 
#3 Street Fighter 2' CE
Fucking awesome port, though I can't help but yearn for the speed and audio of SNES Turbo. 
 
#2 Art of Fighting
Technically, this should be a couple spots lower, but it's kind of a personal favorite, as I really dig the gameplay.  Go figure.
 
#1 Asuka 120%
Gives me everything I could ask for in a fighter: fast gameplay, smooth controls, great music, accessible action, fun characters and attack moves, good multiplayer, and a few cute girls. 
 
I've played a bunch of others (Advanced VG, Fatal Fury Special and 2, Ranma 3, Fighting Street...), but those five are head and shoulders above them. 
 
Two that I haven't tried yet are Flash Hiders and World Heroes 2.  Some reshuffling may be in other after I get my hands on those.

[spenoza]

I really liked Flash Hiders, but it was fatally broken, mechanically. You can play Bang, increase your speed with points earned as you advance in the game, and once your speed is maxed out you can cheese any opponent with a particular special move repeatedly, so quickly they can do nothing but maintain a block. The music was bizarre as hell and rather cool in places, though.

I think my faves were:

Art of Fighting
Fatal Fury Special
Street Fighter II'
Kabuki

There were other really fun ones, but those were, IMO, the most fun.

[runinruder]

Well, I finally picked up and played through Flash Hiders pretty recently.  As expected, it had little trouble cracking my top 5 with its screen-shaking moves, excellent controls, and cool characters.  I wasn't as in awe of its graphics and audio as some folks are, but I did kind of dig the goofy end credits song, ha.  As Spenoza alluded to, it's easy to find ways to cheese your opponents, but the lack of difficulty is just about the only way I could imagine someone being disappointed with the game.  I'm definitely not a master of fighting games, so it didn't bother me very much. 
 
I think my rankings of the PCE fighting games would go like this now:
 
Asuka 120%
Art of Fighting
Street Fighter II' CE
Flash Hiders
Kabuki Ittouryoudan
Godzilla
Advanced VG
Fatal Fury Special
Fatal Fury II
Ranma 1/2 pt.3
Fighting Street
 
Basically, I'd say the first six are all legitimately good, and all except the bottom two are at least worth a play.  Ranma 3 barely counts as it plays more like a one-on-one (and not very good) action game and Fighting Street is one of the worst games ever.  I might be forgetting some others I've played, and I still need to acquire a few more (WH2 and Algunos, most notably).

[nectarsis]

Wow I knew you like Flash Hiders, but it overtakes Kabuki Ittouryoudan  I'm duelly impressed.

[runinruder]

Wow I knew you like Flash Hiders, but it overtakes Kabuki Ittouryoudan  I'm duelly impressed.

Yeah, I felt its controls were even more responsive than Kabuki's, and it felt a little less like a clone.  Kabuki is still great, though, and definitely holds the edge in graphics.

[termis]

My top 5.

1. SF2:CE -- This is a showpiece game for the PCE.  PCE power to the max!
2. Fatal Fury Special -- FF2/Special is the only FF where I put in good time bothering to learn.
3a. Art of Fighting -- Good fun.  Definitely has its own unique playing style.
3b. Kabuki Ittouryoudan -- great graphics, if only a little static.
3c. World Heroes 2 -- Wacky fun.

I haven't tried Asuka.  From what I read, I have a feeling that it'd crack my top 5 if I did.

[TR0N]

SF2 that's all realy for the most part.

If i need my fighting fix that's what i have a neogeo for with the ps2.

[WoodyXP]

1. SF2:CE
2. SF2:CE
3. SF2:CE
4. SF2:CE
5. SF2:CE

 

[Keranu]

Street Fighter II' and Fatal Fury Special, both great old skool fighters.

Now if only the alleged KoF'95 rumor came to life!

[WoodyXP]

Now if only the alleged KoF'95 rumor came to life!

That would have been interesting.

[NecroPhile]

Here's my favs:

1. Godzilla
2. Street Fighter 2
3. World Heroes
4. Fatal Fury Special
5. Art of Fighting

Sad to see only runinruder and myself giving Godzilla some love. 

[Keranu]

I've always wanted to play Godzilla. That game is so little talked about, it's really interesting that it was even released out there.

[runinruder]

Sad to see only runinruder and myself giving Godzilla some love. 

Indeed.  I cling to the belief that a lot of folks just haven't played it yet.  Just for the heck of it, I took a quick look at pcedaisakusen to see how many people owned each of the "big-name" PCE fighters. 

Street Fighter II' CE - 58
Fatal Fury 2 -  39
Fighting Street - 36 (JP 18, US 18)
Fatal Fury Special - 30
Advanced VG - 28
Art of Fighting - 26
World Heroes 2 - 25
Flash Hiders - 24
Kabuki Ittouryoudan - 24
Asuka 120% - 21
Godzilla - 19 (US 7, JP 12)

Not surprising that poor Godzilla and some other nice games lag behind a bit while common, inexpensive, widely known titles like SF2 and the SNK gang enjoy huge numbers.  Of the nineteen that do own Godzilla, very few are regular posters here, and it's the type of game that I'm sure some collectors have on their "US titles to buy... eventually" lists.  Of course, the game that should really be ashamed here is Fighting Street.  Thirty-six owners, and I bet we'd be hard-pressed to find even three who would take up for it.    

[nectarsis]

Well to be fair, Fighting Street is what a $10 common game, and godzilla anywhere from $40-120 (and haven't seen more than a few on Ebay in a LONG time.  Godzilla is def a godie, but has a different learning curve, whereas the learning curve in Fighting Street hits you in seconds ("PLEASE STOP...put me away, and pull out a fighting game thats actually GOOD, and enjoyable").

[runinruder]

Well to be fair, Fighting Street is what a $10 common game, and godzilla anywhere from $40-120

Only for people who insist on acquiring the US version (and, like I said, I'm sure that's why some folks have held out on purchasing it).  I bought the JP version for two dollars just a few months ago. 

[Lochlan]

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games, and there are better versions of all of them widely availble today on other formats.

I can't believe people would seriously say that games like Advanced VG or Asuka 120%--games with roots in shitty Hentai fighters I might add--are legitimately good fighting games.  Or any of the Ranma fighters?  LOL.  I can't play these games for more than 15 minutes before I'm insanely bored, and that's a stretch.

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

[albinoMithos]

SF2 that's all realy for the most part.

If i need my fighting fix that's what i have a neogeo for with the ps2.

Agreed.  The others are ok but nothing special...

[awack]

Kabuki Itouryodan: Fast gameplay and like i said before, it has the best animation for a fighter on the system, hell lot of frames for each character, great voice samples, awesome music and some of the back grounds are fantastic, impact sound fx are piss poor though.

World heroes 2: Big juicy graphics, huge, fast, and well animated characters, great music and sound fx.

Asuka120%: A fantastic game, the best non arcade port.

Fatal fury special/2: Awesome port, every thing is great except for the impact  sound fx.

Street fighter 2: after playing the ACD fighters this game feels slightly poor, it has smaller, less animated and slightly slower characters, smaller less impressive backgrounds, poorer music and voices, but hey, its still street fighter 2 right and it still has great gameplay.

Other good fighter include, Art of fighting, godzilla, and Flash Hiders, the wort is Algunos.

[NecroPhile]

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games, and there are better versions of all of them widely availble today on other formats.

I can't believe people would seriously say that games like Advanced VG or Asuka 120%--games with roots in shitty Hentai fighters I might add--are legitimately good fighting games.  Or any of the Ranma fighters?  LOL.  I can't play these games for more than 15 minutes before I'm insanely bored, and that's a stretch.

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".  No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary), and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.  Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

[PCEngineHell]

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games, and there are better versions of all of them widely availble today on other formats.

I can't believe people would seriously say that games like Advanced VG or Asuka 120%--games with roots in shitty Hentai fighters I might add--are legitimately good fighting games.  Or any of the Ranma fighters?  LOL.  I can't play these games for more than 15 minutes before I'm insanely bored, and that's a stretch.

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".  No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary), and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.  Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

He's just carrying over the same shitty elitist attitude from the Neo forums that SNK and Capcom are best, but mainly should be played elsewhere. I seriously wonder why folks like these even bother to come to a PCE site at all at times. From the sound of it they come off as either hating the system at times, or just liking a few games for it, or come off as if hating the community in general in most post they do. They just stumble in and are at odds when they find out the majority of people like stuff they don't,ect. They usually resort to attempts to belittle others for their opinions or other degrading behavior. There is no room in their minds to even begin to reason with why others like games they don't, nor to even tolerate it without spitting out some rude comment. Silly either way it goes.

As for my Fav fighters for the system:
Art of Fighting (all time fav)
World Heroes 2 (all time fav)
Fatal Fury Special (all time fav)
Street Fighter 2 CE (all time fav)
Asuka 120  (not owned long,but my opinion of it is its a keeper/small gem of  a fighter,good characters and great play mechanics/combos)
Flash Hiders (same as Asuka,not owned long, but it has good solid play mechanics, and a solid design with great graphics)
Ranma 1/2 part 3 (simple but fun,has alot of charm and the graphics are nicely done, to me.)


Not favs, but willing to play sometimes:
Fighting Street
Martial Champion
Advanced VG

Why doesn't Martial Champion make my fav list Lochlan? Cause while I was somewhat pleased with the jamma board when I owned it, even though play wise it wasn't solid, it did play well if you knew how, and the graphics were extremely nice for its time, as was the audio and the stealing weapons idea was nice,even if not implemented perfectly. The home port lost some of the graphics charm in the backgrounds that made it pleasing to the eye for me. The characters shrunk down way way too low in size too compared to the arcade also. It was still a good port and all, and a decent fighter for Super Cd. Something I would give a C- grade to where as I would give a C+ to the arcade game of it. The play mechanics were the same as the arcade, so if you hated the arcade, yea you would hate the home port. Its def not a fighter for everyone. Personally, I think it would have fared better if ported to Arcade cd, but no use crying over spilled milk.

[Lochlan]

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".

I know.

No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary)

runinruder listed AVG and Ranma under a list of fighters (rated best to worst) and I mistook it for a list of "favorite fighters".  Oops, I made a mistake.

and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.

Not really.  Japanese people love their all-girl fighters and quasi-hentai-related games (there's three versions of Steam Hearts, does that make it a fun game?).  I can name a dozen Japanese series that have TONS of sequels but aren't very fun.  (Hylide, for one)

Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

lol huh?

(insane babbling about "Neo Geo elitism")

lol, awesome

I come to a PCE forum to talk about PCE games, sorry if you don't like my opinion.  (Apparently you are still upset about being banned from NG.com?  I'm not really sure.)

Anybody else doesn't like it?  Let's discuss (it's a forum, guys!).

Anyway, you're silly!

[PCEngineHell]

Did you read the thread title?  It clearly says "favorite Turbo/PCE fighting game" and not "most bestest fighta eva, foo'!".

I know.

No one has lauded Ranma 1/2 and Advanced VG for being awesome (even if they had - surprise, opinions vary)

runinruder listed AVG and Ranma under a list of fighters (rated best to worst) and I mistook it for a list of "favorite fighters".  Oops, I made a mistake.

and it's strange that a game as crappy as you proclaim Asuka 120% had a dozen or so different releases.

Not really.  Japanese people love their all-girl fighters and quasi-hentai-related games (there's three versions of Steam Hearts, does that make it a fun game?).  I can name a dozen Japanese series that have TONS of sequels but aren't very fun.  (Hylide, for one)

Perhaps your opinion of it isn't as widely held as you want to believe.

lol huh?

(insane babbling about "Neo Geo elitism")

lol, awesome

I come to a PCE forum to talk about PCE games, sorry if you don't like my opinion.  (Apparently you are still upset about being banned from NG.com?  I'm not really sure.)

Anybody else doesn't like it?  Let's discuss (it's a forum, guys!).

Anyway, you're silly!

Lol, your kidding right, or is that what Wasabi is still going about telling folks lol (lol Wasabi wouldn't lie,right?? Hes a straight shooter morally for sure  Yet wait, I hear he was pretty busy covering up for Deans ass awhile back.....damn, I can only imagine what kind a burden that must have been being the headliner involved in that circle of excuses, lies, and hypocrisy...). For the record, regardless of what he may have led you on to believe to boost his public image as a bad ass Neo mod, I sent request to  Wasabi to close my account after I refused flat out to remove the post about -Rade- and turning in info about him to ebay, ect. Wasabi tried to threaten me via pm to publicly remove post and apologize. I flat out refused. I think I really hurt his feelings when I told him no. 

Im sorry, but why exactly would I care about a account on a forum Ive maybe only posted 40 times at over a period of months that I would actually let myself be bullied by some pathetic worm into publicly retracting my post and apologizing, when I was right to begin with. Much less why would I even care about a community that resembles a snake pit full of backstabbing hypocritical homophobics who constantly feel the need to pat themselves on the back for how much more they paid for something. Seriously, I'm surprised you guys don't throw yourselves a "negative" coupon day randomly at the Neo store so that you can actually brag you paid more then normal for something.... Again, sorry, but no, I think not. Most (not all) of you guys are just laughable.

Fact remains that I requested my account be closed, washed my hands of you all, sent the same request to Dean via email that I sent to Wasabi via pm, incase Wasabi did not close the account, to have Dean do so himself. This was when Dean and I still talked. If believing whatever non-sense Wasabi fed you all helps you sleep better at night, cool, whatever verbal meds  and kool-aid works for ya I guess.   Evidently I put you all in such a rutt over Rade you couldn't get enough of me though. I mean, how many of you followed me over here??? Kitkit, Rade, Tonk, and  Bobak (Kitkit being the only one to even slightly stick around for more then crying about me or gawking at my profile for a hour). I mean, what was it, Bobak coming here himself inviting me to come back or some nonsense even???

If you guys were sooooo happy with your ultra elite sand box, why didn't you just stay put in it? Does it really hurt your pride that much to find out Neo-Geo.com isn't actually needed by people in order for them to own or enjoy SNK products, that people don't really need to be a part of that community on any level to be able to idolize or respect everything SNK has done in the gaming world? The fanbase would still be out there regardless you know. You guys actually made it worse for most normal Neo collectors due to the bloated ego image you present to the public and the elitist attitude you carry about for yourselves.

Seriously, is it that shocking to you guys to find out someone doesn't want to be a part of your "special kids club".  What did you all expect me to do, go make a Nintega like cry cry video, create multiple accounts for months on end to log back in and threaten Neo-Geo.coms downfall? Is that what you guys are really used to? If so, I'm sorry, but you had me sadly mistaken for someone else. I came there because Dean invited me. It would have been rude to turn him down, at least that's how I perceived it at the time. In retrospect, I should have, because I wasted time there when I could have been doing other things elsewhere, like here or on Klov.

I had no interest in being a part of your community or taking part in your private wars you have with each other on a daily basis. My only purpose was to buy, sell, or trade when I did join, as shitty as that may sound, that is the only real value I put on your forum. I only posted in tech support to help make sure I could post/start threads in the sales areas for items I was selling there or on ebay, and only rarely near the end as I was getting out of the arcade stuff for a bit. I did not go about trying to socialize or make friends with any of you there. I had all the friends I needed here and elsewhere.

You're going to find that here at this forum, not many here hold you're community in high regards, for many of the above mentioned issues. Either way it goes, now your here at PCEFX, if you want to keep up the Neo-Geo.com mentality, go back home. Opinions are one thing, and we infact love them here, the more different,the better. But you, your manner in your post was not in fact simply to express yours of games you liked or disliked or debate why logically, but instead to flat out attack/insult others for their interest because they varied far from your own aka Nazi Germany Neo-Geo.com style. Keep up a attitude like that and you will soon find yourself alone and without any friends here.

[Lochlan]

Lol, your kidding right, or is that what Wasabi is still going about telling folks lol (lol Wasabi wouldn't lie,right?? Hes a straight shooter morally for sure  Yet wait, I hear he was pretty busy covering up for Deans ass awhile back.....damn, I can only imagine what kind a burden that must have been being the headliner involved in that circle of excuses, lies, and hypocrisy...). For the record, regardless of what he may have led you on to believe to boost his public image as a bad ass Neo mod, I sent request to  Wasabi to close my account after I refused flat out to remove the post about -Rade- and turning in info about him to ebay, ect. Wasabi tried to threaten me via pm to publicly remove post and apologize. I flat out refused. I think I really hurt his feelings when I told him no. 

Im sorry, but why exactly would I care about a account on a forum Ive maybe only posted 40 times at over a period of months that I would actually let myself be bullied by some pathetic worm into publicly retracting my post and apologizing, when I was right to begin with. Much less why would I even care about a community that resembles a snake pit full of backstabbing hypocritical homophobics who constantly feel the need to pat themselves on the back for how much more they paid for something. Seriously, I'm surprised you guys don't throw yourselves a "negative" coupon day randomly at the Neo store so that you can actually brag you paid more then normal for something.... Again, sorry, but no, I think not. Most (not all) of you guys are just laughable.

Fact remains that I requested my account be closed, washed my hands of you all, sent the same request to Dean via email that I sent to Wasabi via pm, incase Wasabi did not close the account, to have Dean do so himself. This was when Dean and I still talked. If believing whatever non-sense Wasabi fed you all helps you sleep better at night, cool, whatever verbal meds  and kool-aid works for ya I guess.   Evidently I put you all in such a rutt over Rade you couldn't get enough of me though. I mean, how many of you followed me over here??? Kitkit, Rade, Tonk, and  Bobak (Kitkit being the only one to even slightly stick around for more then crying about me or gawking at my profile for a hour). I mean, what was it, Bobak coming here himself inviting me to come back or some nonsense even???

If you guys were sooooo happy with your ultra elite sand box, why didn't you just stay put in it? Does it really hurt your pride that much to find out Neo-Geo.com isn't actually needed by people in order for them to own or enjoy SNK products, that people don't really need to be a part of that community on any level to be able to idolize or respect everything SNK has done in the gaming world? The fanbase would still be out there regardless you know. You guys actually made it worse for most normal Neo collectors due to the bloated ego image you present to the public and the elitist attitude you carry about for yourselves.

Seriously, is it that shocking to you guys to find out someone doesn't want to be a part of your "special kids club".  What did you all expect me to do, go make a Nintega like cry cry video, create multiple accounts for months on end to log back in and threaten Neo-Geo.coms downfall? Is that what you guys are really used to? If so, I'm sorry, but you had me sadly mistaken for someone else. I came there because Dean invited me. It would have been rude to turn him down, at least that's how I perceived it at the time. In retrospect, I should have, because I wasted time there when I could have been doing other things elsewhere, like here or on Klov.

I had no interest in being a part of your community or taking part in your private wars you have with each other on a daily basis. My only purpose was to buy, sell, or trade when I did join, as shitty as that may sound, that is the only real value I put on your forum. I only posted in tech support to help make sure I could post/start threads in the sales areas for items I was selling there or on ebay, and only rarely near the end as I was getting out of the arcade stuff for a bit. I did not go about trying to socialize or make friends with any of you there. I had all the friends I needed here and elsewhere.

You're going to find that here at this forum, not many here hold you're community in high regards, for many of the above mentioned issues. Either way it goes, now your here at PCEFX, if you want to keep up the Neo-Geo.com mentality, go back home. Opinions are one thing, and we infact love them here, the more different,the better. But you, your manner in your post was not in fact simply to express yours of games you liked or disliked or debate why logically, but instead to flat out attack/insult others for their interest because they varied far from your own aka Nazi Germany Neo-Geo.com style. Keep up a attitude like that and you will soon find yourself alone and without any friends here.

That is too long and strange for me to read in its entirety, but it looks very bitter and territorial.  Sounds to me like you have some misdirected anger towards Neo-Geo.com and you have decided to make me out to be the embodiment of some cultural philosophy you don't agree with?

I'm not sure.

Alls I knows is ('sides that I likes me some PC Engine) that you, PCEngineHell, are an incorrigible cad and your character assassination is clumsy and in poor taste.

[NecroPhile]

Anybody else doesn't like it?  Let's discuss (it's a forum, guys!).

I'm all for lively discourse, but a blanket statement that 'all PCE fighters suck and/or are inferior to other ports' doesn't leave much room for discussion.  What is it about Asuka 120% that makes you think it's such a train wreck?  Though I haven't yet plumbed its depths, I'm curious to know why you don't like it when so many other members place it in the cream of the PCE fighter crop.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I actually enjoy Fighting Street.  I thought the Turbo Version was a very good port of the arcade classic.  And the soundtrack is so excellent, that alone is worth a play through.  I really can't stand Godzilla, I had it for years and must have attempted to play it a dozen times, its just not very fun in my personal opinion.  Definately not in World Heroes, Street Fighter, or Fatal Fury's league.  Its more comparable to deadly moves on the SNES or Fighting Masters for the Genesis.....

The turbo had a two button controller and Godzilla uses one of them for jump.  Its like they wrote the game before SFII came out, but released it years later....

Just not impressed with it.

[Tatsujin]

I thought the Turbo Version was a very good port of the arcade classic. 

hey, it's still teh best port of it in whole existence

[NecroPhile]

hey, it's still teh best port of it in whole existence

Better than the ones on Capcom Classics Collections for PSP/PS2/XBOX?

[Lochlan]

I'm all for lively discourse, but a blanket statement that 'all PCE fighters suck and/or are inferior to other ports' doesn't leave much room for discussion.

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

One offhand comment about PCE fighters in a thread about PCE fighters seems fairly innocuous and relevant to me.

What is it about Asuka 120% that makes you think it's such a train wreck?  Though I haven't yet plumbed its depths, I'm curious to know why you don't like it when so many other members place it in the cream of the PCE fighter crop.

My main beef is that, like most fighters of its era, the game is insanely clunky and has not aged well.  It's ok for a round or two now and again when I'm in the mood for something new, but when my fighting game buddies come over it's just not any fun for us to play it--there are just too many other decent fighting games out there.  We do play plenty of old fighters: SF2, Fatal Fury Special, etc.

Besides, speaking of "inferior ports", there's a better version on Saturn.

Is Asuka the worst game ever?  No.  But for me there are so many games that have superseded its game mechanic that there's no reason to go back and play it (and in fact I would argue that it was a third-rate game when it was released as well).

[NecroPhile]

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

So you were just thread crapping, eh?  If this thread is such a waste of your valuable time, then why are you here?  Did ninjas break into your house and force you to type at sai point? 

My main beef is that, like most fighters of its era, the game is insanely clunky and has not aged well.  It's ok for a round or two now and again when I'm in the mood for something new, but when my fighting game buddies come over it's just not any fun for us to play it--there are just too many other decent fighting games out there.  We do play plenty of old fighters: SF2, Fatal Fury Special, etc.

Besides, speaking of "inferior ports", there's a better version on Saturn.

Is Asuka the worst game ever?  No.  But for me there are so many games that have superseded its game mechanic that there's no reason to go back and play it (and in fact I would argue that it was a third-rate game when it was released as well).

Now this I can understand, though I prefer to play a wide variety of games and not limit myself to only the absolute best of a given genre.

[PCEngineHell]

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

So you were just thread crapping, eh?  If this thread is such a waste of your valuable time, then why are you here?  Did ninjas break into your house and force you to type at sai point? 

My main beef is that, like most fighters of its era, the game is insanely clunky and has not aged well.  It's ok for a round or two now and again when I'm in the mood for something new, but when my fighting game buddies come over it's just not any fun for us to play it--there are just too many other decent fighting games out there.  We do play plenty of old fighters: SF2, Fatal Fury Special, etc.

Besides, speaking of "inferior ports", there's a better version on Saturn.

Is Asuka the worst game ever?  No.  But for me there are so many games that have superseded its game mechanic that there's no reason to go back and play it (and in fact I would argue that it was a third-rate game when it was released as well).

Now this I can understand, though I prefer to play a wide variety of games and not limit myself to only the absolute best of a given genre.

Lol,well I pretty much nailed it above, so him stating why was a given along with his reasoning. At least this time he was more polite about it. Still,I mean, this is a PCEFX forum. This is the system we mainly play Lochan, not the third or last system, its for the most part our favorite one in our collection. There are some members here who are so pleased with the PCE and TG library they don't bother to play anything else even, so in that effect compiling a best of list of any genre for the system is viable for us, even if it serves no purpose for you.

That is too long and strange for me to read in its entirety, but it looks very bitter and territorial.  Sounds to me like you have some misdirected anger towards Neo-Geo.com and you have decided to make me out to be the embodiment of some cultural philosophy you don't agree with?
I'm not sure.
Alls I knows is ('sides that I likes me some PC Engine) that you, PCEngineHell, are an incorrigible cad and your character assassination is clumsy and in poor taste.

The fact remains that Neo-Geo.com is exactly the way I described it. Your site never has any peace, not one day. Yours has constant bickering every single day of the week, so much so in fact that you have a War room. Your mods are crooked. People have complained about that aspect of the site for the longest now, no surprise there. You have constant drama on all levels, from minor to serious. All of the negative things I mentioned, that's what NG.Com is universally known for. Anger@ NG.com? No, not in the least bit. Fun to laugh at? Yes. Anger is more like what your group showed when they followed me here which in itself was extremely funny. Me, I wasn't angry, I washed my hands of you all. I do find it very odd that the majority of you that come over from that site insisting you are here to "talk pce" but seem to rarely do, at least in a positive manner, but the habit of constantly posting rude comments and shitting on threads like this is second nature for you, and usually ends with you commenting something like that "there are better ports of so and so game so why not just play those?". This behavior, as I said above, stems from NG.com elitist issues you all carry with you.

And I mean,seriously, if you feel that way, then why even bother being here, when you could go to other threads or forums even that talk about the games you do in fact play instead of shitting on others for what they choose to play/enjoy? And no, I was not making you out to be the embodiment of NG.com, but your behavior here represents/embodies the majority of its bad points. None of the above was a character attack, it was simply stating the facts. I mean, in the end Lochlan as per what you said above, you saw no point to this thread or any like it, so in that case, what was the point of your original post then, along with any further replies, other then to 100 percent confirm what I said above, even if mistakenly or unknowingly, that you are a elitist too good for the games we are choosing to play?

[Lochlan]

I don't know about that.  I certainly recognize that other people are capable of enjoying games I don't like, but my point, essentially, is that the system has so few fighting games and even fewer decent ones, that a list of "the best" PCE fighters is misguided.  (IMO it would be like making a list of the best Gamecube RPGs or something--what's the point?)

So you were just thread crapping, eh?  If this thread is such a waste of your valuable time, then why are you here?  Did ninjas break into your house and force you to type at sai point? 

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there champ.

(Ninjas!?  How droll!)

I was offering up what I thought was a worthy discussion point, I'm sorry to see that you're so shortsighted as to see it only as "thread crapping".  I never claimed that it was a waste of MY time to discuss the subject, simply that the OP's intended direction for the thread was a little misguided.  But your one-liners sure are zippy, right?

Whatever.

Edit:
Now that I think about it, given your comment about not having to play the best of a given genre, I think the point of contention here is really that I dismissed a game as mediocre that this forum has insularly cannonized (namely, Asuka).

I'm sure PCEngineHell would have loved for this thread to be nothing more than "omg herez my list guyz!  These games r my faves!! LOL", but I thought the topic deserved a more critical response (call it trolling if you must, but that's a pretty limited viewpoint IMO).

Anyway, Jesus Christ, I rarely find myself having to work so hard to justify my reasons for writing something; this thread has taken a turn for the bizarre (in no small part by the anti-NG rantings of a certain crazy person here).

[PCEngineHell]

I was offering up what I thought was a worthy discussion point, I'm sorry to see that you're so shortsighted as to see it only as "thread crapping".  I never claimed that it was a waste of MY time to discuss the subject, simply that the OP's intended direction for the thread was a little misguided.  But your one-liners sure are zippy, right?

Maybe you should reexamine your delivery method for what it was you considered a "worthy discussion point" along with its actual content.

Stating there was no point to the thread is basically the same as stating its a waste of time, specifically your time. Your kinda flip flopping here now, just like in your initial post here, are you not (which I will get to in a bit)? Which is it you mean exactly? If there is no point to the threads existence to you, then there's no point in you posting in it either, correct, as you would be contributing to more time wasting pointlessness? Or is it that you only consider your post the ones worthy of time or existence here? Seriously, don't you have anything better to do? You are pretty persistent about checking up on and replying a thread that technically wouldn't even concern you considering you stated:

If we're claiming that terrible games are good fighters because the TG/PCE doesn't have any good ones, then where's the love for Konami's Martial Champion??

What I gather from this itself may even mean you don't consider the system to have any good fighters at all. But like I said above I would get to, it contradicts with:

Street Fighter 2 and a couple of the SNK ports are the only good fighting games,

even though you did make sure to add there were better versions elsewhere to play...

And how again exactly is the thread mis-guided by asking what everyone's favorite PCE, TG fighters are? There was quite a few fighters released, good or bad, and this is a Turbografx/PCE themed forum, or did you not notice??? And as I said before, many here mainly or solely play the Turbo or PCE and not much of anything else... The point of the thread was to get opinions from the people who play the system to get them to list their favs. Listing their not so favorite ones, just as well, sure, who cares, as it makes a good cross reference. Neither are what you did exactly however.

 What you did was jab a insult in stating some of the games everyone seems to be playing suck (are you insinuating its solely up to you to decide what is good or bad on the PCE) and you cant fathom why they would like them, and what titles you even would consider are ok are ones you would never play anyway since you are too good for those ports, as they are done better elsewhere. What you could simply have done was stated the obvious, you don't like any of the PCE fighters, in a polite post, if you really felt the need to even do so, and been done with it and gone on with your life. You could have left out the attitude and insulting manner as it wasn't needed for sure.

I'm sure PCEngineHell would have loved for this thread to be nothing more than "omg herez my list guyz!  These games r my faves!! LOL", but I thought the topic deserved a more critical response

I did not start this thread, so I had no desire for peoples post to go one way or the next other then to stay on topic, which it was until you decided you had to grace the little people with your highly regarded opinion of them, and the games they enjoy playing. The very comment you make of:

omg herez my list guyz!  These games r my faves!! LOL

reflects more so your low opinion of us and how we and our opinions we express appear to you it seems. No one here, myself included, talk like that. If you actually took the time to talk to us in a positive manner and do more then shit rude post out you would see that.

(call it trolling if you must, but that's a pretty limited viewpoint IMO).

Trolling is exactly what you have been doing, although ever so poorly. And as far as viewpoints are concerned, you already made it clear plenty prior you consider ours to be either pointless or limited if they don't agree with you.

Anyway, Jesus Christ, I rarely find myself having to work so hard to justify my reasons for writing something

Then why bother here? You already stated the thread was a pointless waste. Its clear to all of us here you feel you are wasting your time. Have you just hit rock bottom in the forum world and cant find anywhere else to go, or is it that no one else will have you're highly regarded opinion maybe???

this thread has taken a turn for the bizarre (in no small part by the anti-NG rantings of a certain crazy person here).

Well, its sad considering you brought over that very NG.com elitist behavior I spoke of to begin with. Then again, you get to a certain point and simply cant just blame a site for how some one acts, so maybe it simply boils down to you having a shitty anti social personality? Regardless, its obvious it bothers you that I hit so close to home, and no, that does not make me crazy, simply insightful and willing to tell you like it is, even if it hurts your feelings. If the best you have to offer up at the end is a "that persons crazy" insult then you have officially fizzled out.
So whats next in your act, the sticks and stones line? Do you have any other equally awesome 2rd grade stuff you would like to throw out there, or are you a one clown/one balloon act that just popped?

[WoodyXP]

I enjoy playing Mr. Helgeson's posts through Microsoft Sam.  Robot voice FTW!!! 

[Sinistron]

1) This is most certainly a pce/tg board in a pce/tg forum.  Complaining that there's better versions on other consoles is moot.

2) Mike's right- there are some people here who love the pce/tg enough that it's the only system they play- I'm one of them.  Makes this thread a good read.

3) Though there are not as many fighters for pce as there are other systems- there is certainly an adequate enough number to post a thread about.

4) If the OP wanted to make a thread about macaroni and cheese- that'd be his fucking right as long as it was in the right forum.

5) People who complain about threads that they don't feel are warranted- yet waste their energy in posting in said threads regardless come off as sad maroons who obviously have nothing better to do with their time.

6) Since Lochlan first came here he's sounded like a hissy little jerkoff- an instant upstart crying for his Zwieback teething toast.

[NecroPhile]

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there champ.

(Ninjas!?  How droll!)

I was offering up what I thought was a worthy discussion point, I'm sorry to see that you're so shortsighted as to see it only as "thread crapping".  I never claimed that it was a waste of MY time to discuss the subject, simply that the OP's intended direction for the thread was a little misguided.  But your one-liners sure are zippy, right?

Whatever.

What was I thinking?  Levity is for suckers.

Now that I think about it, given your comment about not having to play the best of a given genre, I think the point of contention here is really that I dismissed a game as mediocre that this forum has insularly cannonized (namely, Asuka).

Wrong.  TRON, WoodyXP, Keranu, and Mithos all stated that they only like Street Fighter II' (and Fatal Fury Special in Keranu's case), essentially dismissing all other PCE/Turbo fighters as mediocre.  Had you left the last sentence off of your first post, no one would've taken umbrage.

I'm sure PCEngineHell would have loved for this thread to be nothing more than "omg herez my list guyz!  These games r my faves!! LOL", but I thought the topic deserved a more critical response (call it trolling if you must, but that's a pretty limited viewpoint IMO).

Intimating that this thread is pointless and that we're all deluded for believing that any PCE/Turbo fighters are good is trolling, pure and simple.

[PCEngineHell]

And what was that nonsense again exactly about denying your a NG.Com elitest? 

[SuperDeadite]

So the guy loves Samurai Shodown IV, what's wrong with that? Its a great game.

[PCEngineHell]

So the guy loves Samurai Shodown IV, what's wrong with that? Its a great game.

You clearly missed all the above, didn't you?  Posting the pic has nothing to do with how good or bad the game itself is.
Seeing this explained alot of the above to me too:

Someone gave me this last nite, forgot to post it. Only 3 friends on Neo forums even, one of which is that asshat Rade who was mentioned above, the Neoshiller who was ripping folks off on ebay back from 03-07. Im not evening going to give credit to anything else this sad fuck says. Anymore post he aims at me, hes just going to be left talking to himself.

[Keranu]

Hey he has the same birthday as my dad (which is a day after mine)!

[SuperDeadite]

So the guy loves Samurai Shodown IV, what's wrong with that? Its a great game.

You clearly missed all the above, didn't you?  Posting the pic has nothing to do with how good or bad the game itself is.
Seeing this explained alot of the above to me too:

You appear to love digging for hidden meanings in just about every post.  But you clearly missed that my post was 100% sarcasm.
Granted it was just text, I guess I should use a smiley next time. 

I have read all the posts in this topic, and they sound like every other massive post you've made in the past.  Looking out for a fellow board member is cool, but you tend to go way too extreme in my opinion.   I love the PCE but its a videogame system.  The PCE doesn't have feelings.  So the guy doesn't like the PCE fighting game library.  So what? Does it effect the actual PCE? No! Does it effect your enjoyment of such games? I hope not.  If he doesn't like the fighters, that just leaves an extra copy of each for someone who does enjoy them. 

Windancer's (sorry to bring you in as an example, my friend) first impressions of Go! Go! Birdie Chance disappointed me a bit, but its his choice.  When he's done his review he might totally hate it, but I'll still enjoy my copy.  His loss, not mine.  If every member here plays GGBC and decides it sucks, I'll still post the things I like about it.

I typically hate getting involved in these things, but lately half the posts on this board turn into witch-hunts, and I'm sick of it.  You left the neo-geo boards right?  So forget them already. - RANT OVER

For PCE fighters I only have 3.  Advanced VG, Tengai Makyou, and SFII'.  I'm most partial to AVG to be honest.  Its a sucky game, but I'm a fan of the series.  Real shame the latter games of the series weren't actual fighters.

[PCEngineHell]

You appear to love digging for hidden meanings in just about every post.  But you clearly missed that my post was 100% sarcasm.
Granted it was just text, I guess I should use a smiley next time. 

Theres treasure everywhere if you dig long enough . But yea,maybe you should have. 

I have read all the posts in this topic, and they sound like every other massive post you've made in the past.  Looking out for a fellow board member is cool, but you tend to go way too extreme in my opinion.

I wasn't taking up for any specific member here, but more or less the community itself, as that is what he was referring to basically. My reaction would not be much different if someone were to actually come into my own home and insult my family. Some view that as extreme maybe? Sure, others however would not. To each their own.

[CrackTiger]

I love 2D fighting games, but haven't had anyone to willing to play them with regularly since I became able to fill out my PCE fighting game library.

So the only fighters I've really gotten into and appreciated have been SFIICE and Itouryoden (because it's TM + SFII). But that doesn't reflect on the PC Engine at all, the only fighters I've gotten into on Genesis and SNES have been the SFII's and MK 1 & 2. Even though I love fighting games.

Neo Geo arcade fighters weren't very popular in my hometown so I never got into them. It's hard to learn them and get into them on my own today when I could be playing a PCE game of another genre that I love like RPG when I have yet to play every last one of them.

But this thread has inspired me to ask the one local friend I have that might be willing to give them a try with me. Even though we'd only be able to get together once every week or two tops. The other alternative I have and I am beginning to seriously consider, is training my girlfriend to play street fighting games. She loves competition and is open minded, so it should it shouldn't take much convincing.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, a thread discussing your favorite of even just two options is not only worthwhile, but exactly what this forum needs right now.

[Lochlan]

Someone gave me this last nite, forgot to post it. Only 3 friends on Neo forums even, one of which is that asshat

This thread is so awesome.  PCEngineHell has singlehandedly turned this thread from one about PCE fighting games into one about me.  (I am way pretty by the way, wowee)

Out of those three people, I only actually know one.  The other two are just random friend requests I accepted.  I guess I could just start shooting off friend requests to people I like on the boards or whatever, but Neo-Geo.com is not myspace, I know exactly one person there in "real life".

I was trying to add to the discussion -- maybe it was me who was misguided, but thank the lord because I'm loving what this thread has become.

[nectarsis]

Sooooooooo..back on topic

Finally got around to trying Flash Hiders.  Fun game, very nice graphics, and music.  Decent speed to it, and cool characters.  Not mind blowing, but a solid fighter. Still havelove for SF II, though I am personally still in a SF "funk".  Played it so often, and for so long. Still a great game, and the PCE port is my fave.  Kabuki Itouryodan , is prob my fave fighter (at least so far).  Butter smooth animatuions, great graphics & sound...and it's got Kabuki=instant win. ;)

[guyjin]

PCEngineHell has singlehandedly turned this thread from one about PCE fighting games into one about me.

Actually, you did that.

maybe it was me who was misguided, but thank the lord because I'm loving what this thread has become.

because you're a troll. Also, hail Satan!

[PCEngineHell]

(I am way pretty by the way, wowee)

I was trying to add to the discussion -- maybe it was me who was misguided, but thank the lord because I'm loving what this thread has become.

From the "How do you look thread":

This is from awhile ago, but I'm still approximately this sexy.

I guess I have a stalker.....

Sooooooooo..back on topic

Finally got around to trying Flash Hiders.  Fun game, very nice graphics, and music.  Decent speed to it, and cool characters.  Not mind blowing, but a solid fighter. Still havelove for SF II, though I am personally still in a SF "funk".  Played it so often, and for so long. Still a great game, and the PCE port is my fave.  Kabuki Itouryodan , is prob my fave fighter (at least so far).  Butter smooth animatuions, great graphics & sound...and it's got Kabuki=instant win. ;)

Now that you have that Hori stick,you can nab up the rest of the fighters out there and put that sucker to real use. 




EDIT: No point in trying to play picture tag, Ill just host them myself, so it does you no good to pull them, relink to diff images with the same name, or swap the stuff around after I quote it from your original links Lochlan. You're just wasting you time.

[Sinistron]

I was knocked out by how smooth the Kabuki Itouryoudan animation is- the smoothest fighter I've seen so far on pce.

Loverboy Lochlan- here's a 7th point.

7) Maybe if you didn't find the cakewalk boss-rush in Bonk's Adventure so challenging- people might actually value your opinion on games' playability...

and for someone who loves his own little one-ring circus- you're pretty boring.  No tigers, no elephants, just you as the lone clown- one who likes to paint hearts, wear earrings, and seem more than pleased by self generated attention.  These traits leave you with more in common with my nieces than anyone here- although admittedly my nieces wouldn't find the Bonk's Adventure boss rush so challenging.

[Paisa49]

Ah, this site is always good for a little drama every now and then. 

[Lochlan]

I apologize for offending anyone, but this thread has become ridiculous.

Jesus, I posted a couple marginally inflammatory comments and PCEngineHell resorts to posting pictures of me and my profile and making a variety of ad hominem attacks (thinking that reposting public info about myself that I made public was somehow going to embarass me?)

Loverboy Lochlan- here's a 7th point.

7) Maybe if you didn't find the cakewalk boss-rush in Bonk's Adventure so challenging- people might actually value your opinion on games' playability...

and for someone who loves his own little one-ring circus- you're pretty boring.  No tigers, no elephants, just you as the lone clown- one who likes to paint hearts, wear earrings, and seem more than pleased by self generated attention.  These traits leave you with more in common with my nieces than anyone here- although admittedly my nieces wouldn't find the Bonk's Adventure boss rush so challenging.

SO because I don't know the boss patterns to a platformer I never claimed to be an expert in, suddenly my opinions on fighting games are invalidated?  Someone else posts pictures of me and won't stop ranting about an unrelated forum, and this attention towards me is self-generated? (I've barely posted in this thread relative to the response I received.)  I wear earrings and made a couple MS-paint hearts and suddenly I'm emasculated and juvenile?  You're trolling me, and telling me this is my "one ring circus"?

The real irony here is that the very response I've received from PCEngineHell is uniquely "Neo-Geo-esque", given his quickness to make personal attacks instead of criticizing what I said about video games.  Again, sorry if I offended anyone, but I don't know what the hell I did to deserve such a bizarre response from self-styled "friendly forum".  I'll try to keep the inflammatory comments to a minimum.

I don't love this thread because I'm some kind of egomaniac troll who loves being under a microscope, I just find the whole dynamic that evolved from this thread very amusing.

[nectarsis]

Then quit responding and post ABOUT GAMES.  The back and forth won't get you anywhere obviously.  Kepping it going makes you as bad as you claim Mike to be.

GAME ON

So anyways, I plan to try out Fatal Fury 2, and World Heroes 2 hopefully tonight