A HuCard is...

esteban · 05/17/2008, 03:23 PM

Quote from: Lord Thag on 05/17/2008, 12:34 PMHaha, we're up to seven pages of this? Awesome!

Seriously! The good news is that there we have a consensus: Card. Period.

spenoza · 05/17/2008, 04:41 PM

Consensus is agreement, dude. I have yet to agree upon "card". Nobody took me up on my offer to punch holes in a HuCard and see if a Univac would accept it, and until I'm convinced a HuCard would make a fine punch card I don't see how I can be won over.

esteban · 05/17/2008, 05:09 PM

Quote from: guest on 05/17/2008, 04:41 PMConsensus is agreement, dude. I have yet to agree upon "card". Nobody took me up on my offer to punch holes in a HuCard and see if a Univac would accept it, and until I'm convinced a HuCard would make a fine punch card I don't see how I can be won over.

Card. We all know it. End of story, really.

;)

Sinistron · 05/17/2008, 05:12 PM

apparently we don't all know it if more of us voted for cartridge

You guys got some more votes in for your side- but hucards are a nutritious part of this complete breakfast is gaining on ya'

that'd be sad as hell if you guys lose pace to that option lol

Ceti Alpha · 05/17/2008, 07:15 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/17/2008, 02:11 AM
Quote from: ceti alpha on 05/16/2008, 01:02 PMThat's hilarious. Next time I cross the border I'm going to try using Galaga '90 as my passport.
better go for sure and use the X.E.V.I.O.U.S!

lol. What was I thinking?!

NecroPhile · 05/18/2008, 12:42 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/17/2008, 02:11 AMbetter go for sure and use the X.E.V.I.O.U.S!

That is a weapon of mass awesomeness and might result in cavity probing from a TSA agent.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/14/2009, 12:53 AM

Quote from: nat on 05/15/2008, 10:50 AMBut.... It's a cartridge.

Quote from: TurboXray on 05/15/2008, 10:02 AMA PCB by itself *is* a card, not a cartridge.
Sure it is, if it has connector pins meant to be used to plug it into a larger unit for interface.

What about video cards for computers? Big PCB with pins meant to plug into the motherboard slot?

Theyre based off BeeCards anyways, so its Hudson having TWO kinds of cards that rule.

hey at least were not calling them TurboChips

SignOfZeta · 10/14/2009, 01:16 AM

Quote from: guestWhat about video cards for computers? Big PCB with pins meant to plug into the motherboard slot?

A video card is a fragile bare PCB. It has no case/cartridge. It is only what it is. A HuCard is what it has to be, plusa durable hunk of plastic. Its made for constant installation and removal.

exodus · 10/14/2009, 02:20 AM

I'm late to the party, but I've always called them cards, not cartridges. I guess I call them hucards more specifically. Technically you could call it a memory card - it looks more like a memory card than does a PS2 or N64 memory card...those things look like cartridges!

Charlie · 10/14/2009, 05:25 PM

Card, definitely.

Card = it IS the entity.
Cartridge = case that CONTAINS the entity

Hmm,but wait....what then is an "empty cartridge case". An empty case that does not contain a cartridge (so the non-contained entity is the cartridge), or a cartridge case that is empty (so the case is the cartridge, therefore the non-contained entity is NOT the cartridge)?

Still...credit card, playing card, game card. None of them protected by, held in place by, enclosed by, a case. No case = no cartridge, therefore:

Still going with "card"

Charlie

(if only all of life's questions were this hard!)

Arkhan Asylum · 10/14/2009, 06:18 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/14/2009, 01:16 AM
Quote from: Psycho ArkhanWhat about video cards for computers? Big PCB with pins meant to plug into the motherboard slot?
A video card is a fragile bare PCB. It has no case/cartridge. It is only what it is. A HuCard is what it has to be, plusa durable hunk of plastic. Its made for constant installation and removal.

but what about the big metal mounting point on the end of it?

Video cards arent very fragile! Ever use those sweet savage video cards? Built like a tank

But either way, all those things that plug into ISA/PCI/AGP slots are referred to as cards

The only difference between them and a HuCard being the HuCard has a bunch of plastic so you can touch it and whatnot.

It reminds me too of all those hardware mods for old computers. you buy a card/board and have to put it in a cartridge yourself. So until then its just a expansion card/board.

You cant bust a hucard into two shells and have a PCB in between. Thats generally what a cartridge is, a shell around a thing.

SignOfZeta · 10/14/2009, 06:40 PM

Quote from: guestThe only difference between them and a HuCard being the HuCard has a bunch of plastic so you can touch it and whatnot.

I agree, and that is precisely what the difference is between a card and a cartridge. The HuCard is...

A Card-shaped Cartridge!

TurbografxKid · 10/14/2009, 07:01 PM

Hmmmm.......... I have always thought of a Hucard totally differently. I think it is just natural to think of them differently. And then you have the suggestion from NEC that they are Hucards and they are shaped like a card. But I think it is those that have them, that would see them so different than other game carts. I perceive them that way, always have. They have always fascinated me. The only gaming console where you can carry all of the games that you own for it in a little bag. You can't do that with an NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, Jaguar, or a NEO GEO system.

This has been some serious disscussion over it.

nat · 10/14/2009, 07:59 PM

Are you serious? Are we REALLY reviving this ridiculous thread? Rather than say something abrasive and inadvertently hurtful to someone, I'll just quote myself from last year:

Quote from: natI just don't even see how there could be any debate.

I mean..... It's. a. cartridge.

CrackTiger · 10/15/2009, 12:13 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/14/2009, 06:40 PMA video card is a fragile bare PCB. It has no case/cartridge. It is only what it is. A HuCard is what it has to be, plusa durable hunk of plastic. Its made for constant installation and removal.

...I agree, and that is precisely what the difference is between a card and a cartridge. The HuCard is...

A Card-shaped Cartridge!

This pretty much sums it up.

As for some of the side topics involving carts in general, I don't consider arcade pcbs to be cards, although I do consider arcade carts like STV and MVS to be carts. I don't have any special rules for the number of sections for the casing or the shape or anything else. If the game is a pcb in a wooden sphere but it plugs into a console it's still a cart.

I can see how people could debate whether something like an UMD is within cart territory.

I don't take this stuff too seriously, but HuCards, Sega My Cards, MSX Bee Cards, etc are all real actual cartridge games that are also card games. One doesn't have to exclude the other.

esteban · 10/15/2009, 01:01 AM

Quote from: nat on 10/14/2009, 07:59 PMAre you serious? Are we REALLY reviving this ridiculous thread? Rather than say something abrasive and inadvertently hurtful to someone, I'll just quote myself from last year:

Quote from: natI just don't even see how there could be any debate.

I mean..... It's. a. ~~cartridge~~ card.

Ha, nat, you are hilarious! By invoking my own quote from last year, I have fixed your typo.

This thread rules.

Quote from: esteban on 05/17/2008, 03:23 PM
Quote from: Lord Thag on 05/17/2008, 12:34 PMHaha, we're up to seven pages of this? Awesome!
Seriously! The good news is that we have a consensus: Card. Period.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 01:36 AM

yeah my bad for reviving it rofl.

I didnt check t he dates, i just clicked the pasted link and replied ._.

oooops
O:)

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 01:51 AM

I think if I could split it in half and have the board in between, itd be more like the traditional cartridge.

Turbo D · 10/15/2009, 01:57 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/14/2009, 02:42 AMblame turbo d for me resurrecting it.

I hath summoned the great Arkhan to fight by the HuCard Allies side against the army of cartridge-wielding giant flying octopuses of the axis powers!

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 02:02 AM

Quote from: turbo D on 10/15/2009, 01:57 AM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/14/2009, 02:42 AMblame turbo d for me resurrecting it.
I hath summoned the great Arkhan to fight by the HuCard Allies side against the army of cartridge-wielding giant flying octopuses of the axis powers!

Quote from: natI just don't even see how there could be any debate.

I mean..... It's. a. cartridge.

did you just call nat a giant FLYING octopus? O_O

Turbo D · 10/15/2009, 02:04 AM

NecroPhile · 10/15/2009, 02:28 AM

* swish * * swish * * swish *

Is that the ban hammer I hear? Quick, proclaim your love for Deep Blue! It's your only hope!

Tatsujin · 10/15/2009, 06:59 AM

as the name itself simply implies, it's a CARD, so therefore it's not a cartridge

Arkhan Asylum · 10/15/2009, 08:02 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/15/2009, 06:59 AMas the name itself simply implies, it's a CARD, so therefore it's not a cartridge

O_O Logic Prevails!

I think the internet just went *facepalm*

TurboXray · 10/15/2009, 11:54 AM

Since I have a different account from when this thread first started, I re-voted. It that illegal? And... I changed my vote this time too ;)

guyjin · 10/15/2009, 12:35 PM

Quote from: Tom on 10/15/2009, 11:54 AMSince I have a different account from when this thread first started, I re-voted. It that illegal? And... I changed my vote this time too ;)

Yes. As punishment, I will lock this thread.

guyjin · 04/21/2011, 05:16 PM

Arise, controversy!

For the record, the vote tally before I reset it:
A HuCard is:
A cartridge.    - 25 (46.3%)
Not a cartridge.    - 22 (40.7%)
I don't know and have no opinion.    - 0 (0%)
A nutritious part of this complete breakfast    - 7 (13%)

CrackTiger · 04/21/2011, 06:05 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/15/2009, 06:59 AMas the name itself simply implies, it's a CARD, so therefore it's not a cartridge

Nintendo 64 -clearly a 64-bit system.

Jaguar -the hardware and software packaging all clearly say "64-BIT".

PC Engine -how exactly do I hook it up to my PC to power it?

Turbochip -I know from the name that these are CHIPS and therefore not CARTS, but what exactly sets them apart from HuCards?

Sega My Card -whose card is it exactly, since it's not "Our Card"?

NES "Game Pak" -as the name itself simply implies, it's a PAK, so therefore it's not a cartridge

SMS "Mega Cartridges" -what is it that makes these carts "Mega"?

Genesis "16-Bit Cartridge" -what is it that makes these carts "16-bit"? I know that the hardware contains a non-fake 16-bit cpu and that that is the only true definition of 16-bitness, so is there a 16-bit cpu in every Genesis cart?

Jaguar "Interactive Multimedia Cartridge" -again, how are these carts Interactive Multimedia in a way that sets them apart from boring old vanilla carts?

ccovell · 04/21/2011, 06:15 PM

Quote from: guest on 04/21/2011, 06:05 PMGenesis "16-Bit Cartridge" -what is it that makes these carts "16-bit"? I know that the hardware contains a non-fake 16-bit cpu and that that is the only true definition of 16-bitness, so is there a 16-bit cpu in every Genesis cart?

Genesis cartridges also contain 16-bit-wide ROM chips, primarily. If a CPU accesses memory 16 bits at a time, it stands to reason that the things it accesses also have to dish out data 16 bits at a time, right?

Hence, 16-bit cartridge.

Don't try to be cute, BT; ya sound like George Carlin on an off-off-day.

CrackTiger · 04/21/2011, 07:57 PM

Quote from: ccovell on 04/21/2011, 06:15 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 04/21/2011, 06:05 PMGenesis "16-Bit Cartridge" -what is it that makes these carts "16-bit"? I know that the hardware contains a non-fake 16-bit cpu and that that is the only true definition of 16-bitness, so is there a 16-bit cpu in every Genesis cart?
Genesis cartridges also contain 16-bit-wide ROM chips, primarily. If a CPU accesses memory 16 bits at a time, it stands to reason that the things it accesses also have to dish out data 16 bits at a time, right?

Hence, 16-bit cartridge.

Don't try to be cute, BT; ya sound like George Carlin on an off-off-day.

There's your first mistake.

nat · 04/21/2011, 10:47 PM

Why was this thread resuscitated? It's a stupid argument. By the very definition of the word "cartridge," HuCards are cartridges and arguing otherwise you're basically arguing to change the definition of the word. A stupid argument indeed.

guyjin · 04/21/2011, 11:24 PM

someone in the fighting street thread was reminiscing about it. I thought it would be fun to see how/if opinions have changed

esteban · 04/22/2011, 01:43 AM

Ceti Alpha · 04/22/2011, 07:54 PM

hahaha. I can't believe this thread has be given life.

turbogrfxfan · 04/22/2011, 08:53 PM

its a card. it says hucard

OldRover · 04/22/2011, 11:20 PM

A nutritious part of this complete breakfast.

TGX16 · 04/23/2011, 03:24 AM

Quote from: turbogrfxfan on 04/22/2011, 08:53 PMits a card. it says hucard

No it does'nt We're talking Turbografx here don't we?
So it's a Chip......Turbochip......

esteban · 04/23/2011, 07:59 AM

Quote from: TGX16 on 04/23/2011, 03:24 AM
Quote from: turbogrfxfan on 04/22/2011, 08:53 PMits a card. it says hucard
No it does'nt We're talking Turbografx here don't we?
So it's a Chip......Turbochip......

Yes, the printed manuals/literature referred to them as a "TurboChip", but THANKFULLY they never put that god-awful term on the actual card itself. "HuCard" is prominently emblazoned on North American and Japanese cards.

turbogrfxfan · 04/23/2011, 11:33 AM

I wonder why they called it a turbochip in the manual.. to make it sound more fun? and then the hucard (hudson card) was like the tech term for the card? I think the hucard was hudsons invention so instead of just having a pattent number the came up with "hucard". And with that, and if it was a cartridge..................wouldnt of they called it a Hucart???? so therefore its not a cartridge its a card. lololololol

i think i figuredit out!

Arkhan Asylum · 04/23/2011, 03:52 PM

QuoteA HuCard is...

FUCKING AWESOME.

OldRover · 04/23/2011, 04:44 PM

It's called a TurboChip in the USA because the machine is called the TurboGrafx-16 and "chip" sound "small", and the cards are small. Solved.

VestCunt · 04/23/2011, 06:19 PM

It's a Card - for the reasons Ceti cites on page one.

The Master System plays cards and cartridges, not cartridges and cartridges.

The strict definition argument has some merit, but there are enough media variations in the world of video games to warrant specific terminology. Just like cars and trucks are both automobiles, CDs, Turbochips, and game packs are all cartridges.

Quote from: turbogrfxfan on 04/23/2011, 11:33 AMI wonder why they called it a turbochip in the manual.. to make it sound more fun?

To make it sound too flippin' extreme.

"Turbochip" is the kind of thing one plays after a day of riding the wave, shootin' the curl, and going totally aggro on the halfpipe.

Arkhan Asylum · 04/23/2011, 06:46 PM

Quote from: VestCunt on 04/23/2011, 06:19 PM"Turbochip" is the kind of thing one plays after a day of riding the wave, shootin' the curl, and going totally aggro on the halfpipe.

\o/

OldRover · 04/23/2011, 06:47 PM

Who remembers the "THEM"/"US" promos where they were knocking the NES for having sound akin to a kiddie record player?

esteban · 04/23/2011, 08:06 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 04/23/2011, 06:47 PMWho remembers the "THEM"/"US" promos where they were knocking the NES for having sound akin to a kiddie record player?

I do. It was aired as a commercial in the NYC area.

turbogrfxfan · 04/23/2011, 08:25 PM

i do

CrackTiger · 04/23/2011, 08:49 PM

Quote from: VestCunt on 04/23/2011, 06:19 PMIt's a Card - for the reasons Ceti cites on page one.

The Master System plays cards and cartridges, not cartridges and cartridges.

The strict definition argument has some merit, but there are enough media variations in the world of video games to warrant specific terminology. Just like cars and trucks are both automobiles, CDs, Turbochips, and game packs are all cartridges.

So the PS3 doesn't read various formats of "discs" and CDs, DVDs and BluRays are all something different?

chany60126 · 04/23/2011, 09:18 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 04/23/2011, 06:47 PMWho remembers the "THEM"/"US" promos where they were knocking the NES for having sound akin to a kiddie record player?

OldRover · 04/23/2011, 09:56 PM

Yeah, that one.

Ceti Alpha · 04/23/2011, 10:30 PM

Quote from: guest on 04/23/2011, 06:19 PMIt's a Card - for the reasons Ceti cites on page one.

The Master System plays cards and cartridges, not cartridges and cartridges.

The strict definition argument has some merit, but there are enough media variations in the world of video games to warrant specific terminology. Just like cars and trucks are both automobiles, CDs, Turbochips, and game packs are all cartridges.

By strict definition, which is really what you have to go by, HuCards are just another form of cartridge. The Master System takes two forms of cartridges; however, since there is no specific term for the 'classic' cartridge format (SMS, NES, Atari, Intellivision, Coleco), you really are forced to differentiate the two by calling one a card and the other a cartridge. SD cards are also, by strict definition, cartridges, but it's more accurate to call them cards. I feel the same way with HuCards. I think it's just more accurate to refer to them as cards as opposed to cartridges, since 'cartridge' is such a broad term.

Now, excuse me while I blow my brains out. lol

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