Ys 1&2 DS US bound!

nectarsis · 10/22/2008, 01:38 PM

http://www.siliconera.com/2008/10/22/atlus-brings-ys-i-ii-back-together-for-north-america/

HELLLLLLLLLLS YEA

Turbo D · 10/22/2008, 05:35 PM

Wow, this is great news!

NecroPhile · 10/22/2008, 05:56 PM

That looks frickin' great! Are they porting over Ys Eternal, or is it going to be completely different?

nectarsis · 10/22/2008, 06:07 PM

Looks like just combining the japanese 1&2 remakes on one cart.

Joe Redifer · 10/22/2008, 07:24 PM

Graphics look awful, but it could be fun.

Bigdog302 · 10/22/2008, 08:03 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/22/2008, 07:24 PMGraphics look awful, but it could be fun.

i thought it looks pretty good,it is miles better than the original on the pc engine and the turbo.of course it won't be the ground breaking title that the original was.i hope they kept the story line intact.

CrackTiger · 10/22/2008, 08:38 PM

The 3D is unfortunate, but I'll be buying it anyway. If it was a new Ys and not a remake though, I'd wait and see.

Sensei · 10/22/2008, 08:41 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/22/2008, 07:24 PMGraphics look awful, but it could be fun.

Sadly it wasn't. I played when it came out. The changed the mechanics around a lot.

But I'm sure a sucker, I'll probably buy it again anyway.

Joe Redifer · 10/22/2008, 10:27 PM

Bigdog, I am talking about the sloppy 3D graphics. I'd rather see 2D hand-painted backgrounds than polygons.

Adol swings a sword now instead of running into enemies. Is that the only play mechanic they changed around, Sensei?

SignOfZeta · 10/22/2008, 11:25 PM

It wasn't the messed-with gameplay (I *like* slamming into things, OK?) or the crap 3D that made me not import this, it was the fact that it cost $100. So I'll be happy to buy the US version for $35 or whatever.

ParanoiaDragon · 10/22/2008, 11:29 PM

IIRC, you have a choice of gameplay mechanics, you can either swing your sword like Ys 5 & up, or you can bump enemies, including the ability to use the stylus or the dpad.

MotherGunner · 10/23/2008, 01:01 AM

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/22/2008, 01:38 PMhttp://www.siliconera.com/2008/10/22/atlus-brings-ys-i-ii-back-together-for-north-america/

HELLLLLLLLLLS YEA

Arg.....beat me to it. Shoulda just updated my post! Anyhow this is excellent news. Have Money. Will Travel.

rag-time4 · 10/23/2008, 08:02 AM

Has anybody tried Ys Strategy for the DS?

Sensei · 10/23/2008, 08:31 AM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/22/2008, 11:29 PMIIRC, you have a choice of gameplay mechanics, you can either swing your sword like Ys 5 & up, or you can bump enemies, including the ability to use the stylus or the dpad.

Almost. When you use the stylus you can bump into enemies but when using the D-pad you have to swing the sword. But if Atlus can give us that option, that would be really great. I don't think it would take too much effort.

mobiusclimber · 10/23/2008, 11:19 AM

I must be the only person who HATES the bumping into enemies nonsense. Then again, I never do seem to enjoy a Ys game for too long, whether it's Ys I with its insane hidden stuff ("gotta find the one correct pixel next to this lake") and impossible first boss ("this is the FIRST one?"), Ys III with it's... platforming, Ys IV with again it's first boss ("yeah, I like only being able to take one hit before I die") or the recent Ys game on the PSP ("I have to run along these ledges using the thumbstick, jump at the right times from ledge to ledge while avoiding enemies all within a very short time limit?"). I'm sure there's some kind of amazing awesomeness hidden within the Ys games, but I don't have the kind of patience it would take to find it.

So if everyone on here gets this game and hates it because its way too easy, then I'll probably pick it up. Otherwise... no. I stopped banging my head against things in junior high and I'm too old to start again now.

SignOfZeta · 10/23/2008, 11:36 AM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 11:19 AMI must be the only person who HATES the bumping into enemies nonsense. Then again, I never do seem to enjoy a Ys game for too long, whether it's Ys I with its insane hidden stuff ("gotta find the one correct pixel next to this lake") and impossible first boss ("this is the FIRST one?"), Ys III with it's... platforming, Ys IV with again it's first boss ("yeah, I like only being able to take one hit before I die") or the recent Ys game on the PSP ("I have to run along these ledges using the thumbstick, jump at the right times from ledge to ledge while avoiding enemies all within a very short time limit?"). I'm sure there's some kind of amazing awesomeness hidden within the Ys games, but I don't have the kind of patience it would take to find it.

So if everyone on here gets this game and hates it because its way too easy, then I'll probably pick it up. Otherwise... no. I stopped banging my head against things in junior high and I'm too old to start again now.

Wow. You're kind of a weakling. All you have to do to beat any Y's boss (except possibly the last one) is level up some more, and while that aspect itself is kind of lame, its hardly unique to RPGs of the time, or even today.

nectarsis · 10/23/2008, 12:01 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2008, 08:02 AMHas anybody tried Ys Strategy for the DS?

Ys strategy is the devil rolled in a steaming pile of crap..AVOID it at all costs.

mobiusclimber · 10/23/2008, 02:29 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/23/2008, 11:36 AMWow. You're kind of a weakling. All you have to do to beat any Y's boss (except possibly the last one) is level up some more, and while that aspect itself is kind of lame, its hardly unique to RPGs of the time, or even today.

... You can only go up to level 10 in the first Ys and the XP jumps are huge. I won't say it's impossible to get to a higher level than where I was when I picked a fight with the first boss in that game, but I would have needed to be OCD and hopped up on Ritalin or something. That might have been true for Ys IV, since it seemed a lot easier to gain levels in that one, but definitely not the first Ys game.

SignOfZeta · 10/23/2008, 02:35 PM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 02:29 PM
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/23/2008, 11:36 AMWow. You're kind of a weakling. All you have to do to beat any Y's boss (except possibly the last one) is level up some more, and while that aspect itself is kind of lame, its hardly unique to RPGs of the time, or even today.
... You can only go up to level 10 in the first Ys and the XP jumps are huge. I won't say it's impossible to get to a higher level than where I was when I picked a fight with the first boss in that game, but I would have needed to be OCD and hopped up on Ritalin or something. That might have been true for Ys IV, since it seemed a lot easier to gain levels in that one, but definitely not the first Ys game.

If by "the first Y's game" you mean the first TG-16/PCE one, its just really not that hard. I've cleared it probably 15 times since I bought it in '92. I can probably start a game now and have the first boss killed in less than 10 minutes. No prescription uppers needed. In fact, I'm sure I could do it stoned off my ass.

I can't speak for the multiple versions of Y's 1 that came before the NEC one. They might be hard as nails.

mobiusclimber · 10/23/2008, 06:06 PM

Well, therein might be the problem. I've actually yet to play any of the Turbo Ys games. My introduction to the series was Ys for the Sega Master System. I'm actually not sure how to even defeat the first boss since half the room he's in is covered in fire that is an almost instant kill if you touch it and all he does is teleport on top of this fire. The first boss in Ys IV is similar (I played an emu version of the SFC one) in that he teleports around the room while flames shoot out of the walls which will generally instant-kill you (or at least knock your health so far down you can forget about winning the battle). I don't consider myself a complete n00b when it comes to action-RPGs, but after having my ass handed to me twenty times apiece, I gave up on both bosses and both games.

rag-time4 · 10/23/2008, 08:47 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/23/2008, 12:01 PM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2008, 08:02 AMHas anybody tried Ys Strategy for the DS?
Ys strategy is the devil rolled in a steaming pile of crap..AVOID it at all costs.

AH sorry to hear that! What's wrong with it? I'm curious about it being that it's an Ys game... how much of an Ys theme does it have? Does it have any of the classic sound effects?

nectarsis · 10/23/2008, 08:52 PM

I played at a friends ahile ago, only played fro a short time as everything is so damn small that it makes the game near uplayable, and def not enjoyable. The theme feels like they just slapped on the Ys name to sell this steaming pile.

SignOfZeta · 10/24/2008, 12:04 AM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 06:06 PMThe first boss in Ys IV is similar (I played an emu version of the SFC one) in that he teleports around the room while flames shoot out of the walls which will generally instant-kill you (or at least knock your health so far down you can forget about winning the battle). I don't consider myself a complete n00b when it comes to action-RPGs, but after having my ass handed to me twenty times apiece, I gave up on both bosses and both games.

For the record, Y's IV for SFC and Y's IV for PCE are two totally different games.

ParanoiaDragon · 10/24/2008, 04:14 AM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2008, 08:47 PM
Quote from: nectarsis on 10/23/2008, 12:01 PM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2008, 08:02 AMHas anybody tried Ys Strategy for the DS?
Ys strategy is the devil rolled in a steaming pile of crap..AVOID it at all costs.
AH sorry to hear that! What's wrong with it? I'm curious about it being that it's an Ys game... how much of an Ys theme does it have? Does it have any of the classic sound effects?

I have the Eurippean version, since it's in english, & yes, it's terrible. The one redeeming factor about it, is the music. But, the game itself was not made or planned by Falcom, though they obviously bought the rights to make it from Falcom. It was supposed to be before Ys went up into the sky 700 years ago if I understand correctly, but, that's all explained in Ys Origin from Falcom, that's a great game, great button combo masher, highly reccomend Ys Origin.

And for the record, remember everybody, Ys does not have an apostraphe, it's not plural.

nectarsis · 10/25/2008, 12:49 AM

http://www.dsfanboy.com/2008/10/23/atlus-bringing-ys-on-ds-to-north-america/

mobiusclimber · 10/25/2008, 01:47 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/24/2008, 12:04 AM
Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 06:06 PMThe first boss in Ys IV is similar (I played an emu version of the SFC one) in that he teleports around the room while flames shoot out of the walls which will generally instant-kill you (or at least knock your health so far down you can forget about winning the battle). I don't consider myself a complete n00b when it comes to action-RPGs, but after having my ass handed to me twenty times apiece, I gave up on both bosses and both games.
For the record, Y's IV for SFC and Y's IV for PCE are two totally different games.

Right, and I should have been specific with my first post about the Ys series. I so far haven't played ANY of the Turbo Ys games. I'm not sure when I will either, though, considering how much I dislike the ones I HAVE played. Ys is one series that I really really want to like, but since I haven't had much luck with the others, I can't see paying $30 apiece for the ones on the Turbo.

And at any rate, I really don't like crashing into enemies. I want to feel like I have some control over whether or not I get hit. Imagine if you were playing a shooter and you were forced to ram your ship into all the enemies. If you didn't want to be destroyed you had to ram them from behind (wow, that doesn't even sound good). Furthermore, if you aren't strong enough, even doing that will cause your ship to be damaged. Does that even make any sense? If I have a sword and I'm good at dodging, I should be able to dodge. Doesn't matter how strong I am. At least give me the CHANCE to. So yeah, not a fan of the ramming.

Joe Redifer · 10/25/2008, 02:04 AM

Charge straight into enemies = YOU get hit. Charge into them so that only your right or left side (not middle) makes contact with them = THEY get hit. You have control. The power is up to you.

Dark Fact · 10/29/2008, 12:39 PM

Just heard about this today. I no longer have any reason NOT to get a DS!

CrackTiger · 10/30/2008, 09:43 PM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 06:06 PMWell, therein might be the problem. I've actually yet to play any of the Turbo Ys games. My introduction to the series was Ys for the Sega Master System. I'm actually not sure how to even defeat the first boss since half the room he's in is covered in fire that is an almost instant kill if you touch it and all he does is teleport on top of this fire. The first boss in Ys IV is similar (I played an emu version of the SFC one) in that he teleports around the room while flames shoot out of the walls which will generally instant-kill you (or at least knock your health so far down you can forget about winning the battle). I don't consider myself a complete n00b when it comes to action-RPGs, but after having my ass handed to me twenty times apiece, I gave up on both bosses and both games.

You know, as long as you're powerful enough to damage the boss, you can beat him without taking a single hit of damage from the flames. The main issue with Ys SMS is leveling high enough to be allowed to damage a boss, even though they can all be beat without taking any damage by proper dodging/attacking.

Ys I & II PCE is completely different. Ys I in particular has been dumbed down to be super noob-friendly and extremely short.

If you try either Ys again, you should grab the Golden Vase from the pond in the field, sell it at the pawn shop, buy the ring and give it to the guy in the bar then buy (if I remember correctly) the second cheapest sword and shield and armor. Then go talk to Sara(?) to get the crystal.

In a few minutes you'll go up a couple levels or more and have a good set of equipment without fighting a single enemy. You could probably already damage the first boss in the PCE version, but might need to go up a level in the SMS version. But it'll be easier to level up since you can fight tougher enemies (thieves around the shrine?) with your better sword and gained levels.

blueraven · 11/02/2008, 12:33 AM

Trailer looks cool. I'll probably end up springing for a pawnshop DS if the price is right.

-blueraven

mobiusclimber · 11/02/2008, 02:15 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/30/2008, 09:43 PM
Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 06:06 PMWell, therein might be the problem. I've actually yet to play any of the Turbo Ys games. My introduction to the series was Ys for the Sega Master System. I'm actually not sure how to even defeat the first boss since half the room he's in is covered in fire that is an almost instant kill if you touch it and all he does is teleport on top of this fire. The first boss in Ys IV is similar (I played an emu version of the SFC one) in that he teleports around the room while flames shoot out of the walls which will generally instant-kill you (or at least knock your health so far down you can forget about winning the battle). I don't consider myself a complete n00b when it comes to action-RPGs, but after having my ass handed to me twenty times apiece, I gave up on both bosses and both games.
You know, as long as you're powerful enough to damage the boss, you can beat him without taking a single hit of damage from the flames. The main issue with Ys SMS is leveling high enough to be allowed to damage a boss, even though they can all be beat without taking any damage by proper dodging/attacking.

Ys I & II PCE is completely different. Ys I in particular has been dumbed down to be super noob-friendly and extremely short.

If you try either Ys again, you should grab the Golden Vase from the pond in the field, sell it at the pawn shop, buy the ring and give it to the guy in the bar then buy (if I remember correctly) the second cheapest sword and shield and armor. Then go talk to Sara(?) to get the crystal.

In a few minutes you'll go up a couple levels or more and have a good set of equipment without fighting a single enemy. You could probably already damage the first boss in the PCE version, but might need to go up a level in the SMS version. But it'll be easier to level up since you can fight tougher enemies (thieves around the shrine?) with your better sword and gained levels.

This is all stuff I've already done in the SMS version. And I can damage the boss, I just can't hit him without getting hit by the flames because he teleports around the room, but only right on top of the flames that are all over the floor. He doesn't ever seem to get close enough to me so I can hit him without walking through fire. Not sure if I'm just supposed to dodge for a really long time until HE gets tired and comes closer or what.

And btw, the whole business with the Golden Vase is one of my main complaints with this game. If you're not using a walkthru, even knowing that it's there is impossible, not to mention you have to be pixel perfect in where you stand to actually find it. It took me forever to find and I KNEW where I was supposed to be looking.

Sorry, I know, sounds like a rant, but I really have tried to enjoy this game, in fact I kinda WAS enjoying it until I dead ended at the boss. At this point, if I want to level up I'll have to random battle for a good hour or longer to get enough XP. No one gives enough XP to really get me up a level any quicker than that. (And I'm too weak to fight the things inside the cave yet.)

blueraven · 11/02/2008, 11:27 PM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 11:19 AMI must be the only person who HATES the bumping into enemies nonsense.

No, it drives me insane as well. I'm hoping that Atlus figures out a way to add something to the attack visuals. At least a sword swinging to give me confirmation that I actually HIT the enemy. I didn't like the Master System version either for this reason.

I always thought Y's book I & II would have been a hell of a lot better if they had just added a few things. It makes me wonder if the bump attack was due to a lack of R&D, or if the US version was incredibly underfunded. I mean, even Zelda 1 had an attack.

Let's hope Atlus comes through and upgrades Y's.

- blueraven

mobiusclimber · 11/03/2008, 09:28 AM

Quote from: blueraven on 11/02/2008, 11:27 PM
Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 11:19 AMI must be the only person who HATES the bumping into enemies nonsense.
No, it drives me insane as well. I'm hoping that Atlus figures out a way to add something to the attack visuals. At least a sword swinging to give me confirmation that I actually HIT the enemy. I didn't like the Master System version either for this reason.

I always thought Y's book I & II would have been a hell of a lot better if they had just added a few things. It makes me wonder if the bump attack was due to a lack of R&D, or if the US version was incredibly underfunded. I mean, even Zelda 1 had an attack.

Let's hope Atlus comes through and upgrades Y's.

- blueraven

I do seriously believe it was a design choice. They were going for the whole roguelike thing. But that just doesn't really appeal to me. I had the most fun w/ the recent PSP/PS2 Ys game, until they threw in the run-and-jump tests. Impossible to pull off on a handheld, sorry. (Ok, not impossible, and I almost made it through, but stupidly let the battery die while I was in the middle of it.)

blueraven · 11/03/2008, 03:40 PM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 11:19 AMI do seriously believe it was a design choice. They were going for the whole roguelike thing. But that just doesn't really appeal to me. I had the most fun w/ the recent PSP/PS2 Ys game, until they threw in the run-and-jump tests. Impossible to pull off on a handheld, sorry. (Ok, not impossible, and I almost made it through, but stupidly let the battery die while I was in the middle of it.)

Yeah the PS2 version was a good game. You gotta watch that power meter

- blueraven

MotherGunner · 11/03/2008, 06:53 PM

Gamestops now taking preorders, some screenshots in there.

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72888

ParanoiaDragon · 11/03/2008, 09:14 PM

Both Amazon & Gamestop have been taking orders. It's cheaper to get it from Amazon though, since, they usually drop the price a couple bucks before release, & there's no tax, & they have the option of free shipping!

nectarsis · 11/26/2008, 04:06 AM

new translation...

http://www.dsfanboy.com/2008/11/25/a-new-legacy-of-ys-translation/

SignOfZeta · 11/26/2008, 12:37 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 11/26/2008, 04:06 AMnew translation...

http://www.dsfanboy.com/2008/11/25/a-new-legacy-of-ys-translation/

Of course it has a new translation. It would be harder to fit the old one in.

ParanoiaDragon · 11/27/2008, 01:21 AM

Which means Darm, is now Dahm. Yippee.

Joe Redifer · 11/27/2008, 01:27 AM

Oh crap, can't be missing THAT!

blueraven · 12/02/2008, 03:57 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 11/03/2008, 09:14 PMBoth Amazon & Gamestop have been taking orders. It's cheaper to get it from Amazon though, since, they usually drop the price a couple bucks before release, & there's no tax, & they have the option of free shipping!

I agree, don't waste your time with Gamestop. Final Fantasy I & II for PSP used $24.95 used, no box or manual. $25.95 if you want it brand new. WTF?!?!?! That's unethical.

That's almost worse than FuncoLand, which Gamestop bought out. They blatantly refused to sell boxes or instructions with the games, even if the HAD MULTIPLE COPIES them. I called the corporate office back in 2003, and they said that this was their policy; which in my mind equates to ripping off the consumer. I boycotted the stores until they went out of buisness.