PCE, SNES and Genesis Screen Comparison.

[Mathius]

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[esteban]

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[Joe Redifer]

Interestingly, as far as Fatal Fury games go, the PCE versions always seem to have the worst looking floors.  A good example of this is the floating raft stage.  The other versions have floors with actual perspective.  The logs on the PCE versions, however, are all facing the same direction with no perspective whatsoever.

[esteban]

Interestingly, as far as Fatal Fury games go, the PCE versions always seem to have the worst looking floors.  A good example of this is the floating raft stage.  The other versions have floors with actual perspective.  The logs on the PCE versions, however, are all facing the same direction with no perspective whatsoever.

I would love to add a special "The Logs of Fatal Fury" sub-section...but I need folks to contribute a bunch of interesting screenshots to help illustrate your point.

No, I'm not joking. 

In fact, I would love to add anything you folks (including Joe) want to emphasize/point out in these comparisons. I just need screenshots and competent explanations of the point you are trying to illustrate. 

[Joe Redifer]

I can only do real system grabs and those will be of lower quality than emulator grabs.  I have RGB out but no way to capture it.  I can transcode it into component but no way to capture that either.  So my captures need to default to s-video which everyone hates.  My Game Sack captures are all S-video for the Turbo.  Early on they were composite.

[CrackTiger]

Interestingly, as far as Fatal Fury games go, the PCE versions always seem to have the worst looking floors.  A good example of this is the floating raft stage.  The other versions have floors with actual perspective.  The logs on the PCE versions, however, are all facing the same direction with no perspective whatsoever.

Yeah, for everything that the PCE Fatal Fury ports have that other 16-bit ports don't, a few background aspects are missing, likely to save on space. Although 18 megs is a lot, the PCE versions not only have huge sprites that are super animated, -the second size for the alternate plane effectively doubles the amount of animation per fight. Still, the ground/floors all look nice, especially the logs. They're just different/unique.

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The FFS page has a mismatched screen shot.

[awack]

the second size for the alternate plane effectively doubles the amount of animation per fight

I looked at a set number of moves and if i remember right it was about double the number of frames compared to the snes or genesis ports, plus you have the smaller redrawn sprite  in the pce port which isn't much smaller than the large snes sprite...the snes just uses the same sprite for the second plane, it just rearranges the pixels to make it look shorter or thiner. So basically a hell lot more frames than any non neogeo 16bit(pce snes genesis) game.

[Tatsujin]

plus you have the smaller redrawn sprite  in the pce port which isn't much smaller than the large snes sprite...the snes just uses the same sprite for the second plane, it just rearranges the pixels to make it look shorter or thiner.

LOL, SNES FAIL!

[Tatsujin]

does soemone know of how big in graphic size was the biggest ACD game. e.g. SNK beat em up and sapphire? it seems that drac x was the largest SCD game with 19.8MB of pure graphics. that makes almost 160Mbits which is half the size of first generation AES games (in terms of limitation).

[esteban]

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The FFS page has a mismatched screen shot.

Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed it, plus added:

Ghouls 'n Ghosts
Parodius Da!
Raiden
Strider
Valis
Valis IV

Interestingly, as far as Fatal Fury games go, the PCE versions always seem to have the worst looking floors.  A good example of this is the floating raft stage.  The other versions have floors with actual perspective.  The logs on the PCE versions, however, are all facing the same direction with no perspective whatsoever.

Yeah, for everything that the PCE Fatal Fury ports have that other 16-bit ports don't, a few background aspects are missing, likely to save on space. Although 18 megs is a lot, the PCE versions not only have huge sprites that are super animated, -the second size for the alternate plane effectively doubles the amount of animation per fight. Still, the ground/floors all look nice, especially the logs. They're just different/unique.

Well, if anyone out there wants to take screenshots of unique "The Logs of Fatal Fury"...

Also, to add to my earlier request, I think it would be neat if we added "Notes" to each entry...we can pull some notes from the existing comments, but you folks probably have new stuff to add.

Feel free to contribute any trivia/observations/context that you think is relevant...

Thanks

[Mathius]

Did you mean to label the Strider pics as "SuperGrafx"?   

[esteban]

Did you mean to label the Strider pics as "SuperGrafx"?   

Yeah, and I thought I did. Damn, I must be really tired. 

[Digi.k]

Parodius Da!

One thing I like to point out with the parodius pink cloud stage boss and I know this sounds anal.. is that huge sprite the SNES has a few frames missing.. notably when you meet her on the pce and arcade edition her hair is tied up and falls down as you begin to fight her.  SNES version the hair remains fallen as you greet her.

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[TR0N]

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Where's the sega-cd version of FFS ?

[Tatsujin]

Parodius Da!

One thing I like to point out with the parodius pink cloud stage boss and I know this sounds anal.. is that huge sprite the SNES has a few frames missing.. notably when you meet her on the pce and arcade edition her hair is tied up and falls down as you begin to fight her.  SNES version the hair remains fallen as you greet her.
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damn that pic hurts my eyes

[Amadeusama]

Please, don't anybody get this question wrong (I truly appreciate the time and effort such comparisons take!):

Why does everybody always do these comparisons with Megadrive and SuperFamicom?
Even in Japan these platforms were released a little over two and three years (!) after the PCE respectively.
And yes, comparisons there go to show how well the PCE was able to stand its ground in its latter days, but until late 1989 there was no alternative to the PCE. (Not that there is these days, 25 years later ...  )

But what is usually neglected, is how extremely the PCE graphically wiped the floor with 8-bit Sega and Nintendo at the beginning, and how it could conquer such a large market share in the first place.

I would love to see more such comparisons with the 8-bit systems mentioned, especially for games published in the first three to four years of the PCE life (fall 1987 till 1990/1991).

[RegalSin]

Everybody knows the PCE would mop the floor with the NES. The PCE was made to make animated graphics, while mopping the floor with the PC counterpart, which was made to make/arcade graphics.

The bigger question is why didn't they just release the same NES game on the PCE, like they did with Ninja-ryokuden on the SNES. I know it is a half past job, but at least they would have a bigger library.

The NES had it's own style of graphics, while the PCE did it's own thing.
I am more amazed of how the PCE graphics stand against the Saturn. The Saturn was censored beyond belief, obviously, but the comparison their also stood out.

The PCE vs PSX vs Saturn, that is how I see it. The Saturn and PSX was up against the Windows 95 games.

[roflmao]

I would love to see more such comparisons with the 8-bit systems mentioned, especially for games published in the first three to four years of the PCE life (fall 1987 till 1990/1991).

Me too!  I'll have to see if I have anything to contribute.

[Samurai Ghost]

The bigger question is why didn't they just release the same NES game on the PCE, like they did with Ninja-ryokuden on the SNES. I know it is a half past job, but at least they would have a bigger library.

Not sure about Japan but Nintendo had really slimy business practices in the US where they said to publishers if they released games on other systems they would be cut off from the NES, the biggest market at the time. But of course millions of people grew up with the NES so they think they are some wonderful company that can do no wrong. Barf.

That said, there were plenty of ports to the PCE from third parties who released games on the Famicom and later the Mega Drive. Sega, Namco, Konami, Capcom, Taito, to name a few.

[NecroPhile]

I would love to see more such comparisons with the 8-bit systems mentioned, especially for games published in the first three to four years of the PCE life (fall 1987 till 1990/1991).

There's a comparison of Don Doko Don.

[CrackTiger]

There are many comparisons to NES and SMS games in this thread, they're just sprinkled throughout the dozens of pages.


Nintendo did indeed bully Japanese publishers, which is why Capcom didn't publish anything for PCE.

[esteban]

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Where's the sega-cd version of FFS ?

Just give me a link to the screenshots and I'll gladly add them! 

[TR0N]

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Where's the sega-cd version of FFS ?

Just give me a link to the screenshots and I'll gladly add them! 

Sure thing.
http://www.mobygames.com/game/sega-cd/fatal-fury-special

[CrackTiger]

Here are some 8-bit to PCE comparisons. Pics stolen from all over the place.





AFTERBURNER-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS
NES - FC










BONANZA BROS-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS









DAISENPU/BOMBER RAID-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS








CASTLEVANIA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES











DARIUS II-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS










FORGOTTEN WORLDS-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS











DOUBLE DRAGON II-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES










MONSTER WORLD III-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS










GAIN GROUND-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS
https://www.tg-16.com/screenshot_comparisons_action.htm#Gain_Ground









GHOSTS 'N GOBLINS-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES











GODZILLA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES










MONSTER WORLD-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS










OUTRUN-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS









PARODIUS DA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES








PRINCE OF PERSIA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS - NES









RASTAN-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS










SPACE HARRIER-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.tg-16.com/screenshot_comparisons_shmups.htm#Space_Harrier

PCE - SMS









SHADOW OF THE BEAST-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.tg-16.com/screenshot_comparisons_action.htm#Shadow_of_the_Beast

PCE - SMS









STAR SOLDIER-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES










STRIDER-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.tg-16.com/screenshot_comparisons_action.htm#Strider

PCE - SMS - NES








THUNDER BLADE-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - SMS










TWIN COBRA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.tg-16.com/screenshot_comparisons_shmups.htm#Kyuukyoku_Tiger

PCE - NES










VALIS-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


PCE - NES

[Mathius]

Oh wow! What a nice homecoming gift.

[motdelbourt]

Nice work. SMS Prince of Persia looks awesome, and the NES doesn't look half bad either. SMS Shadow of the Beast looks like they shouldn't have bothered.

[esteban]

Nice work. SMS Prince of Persia looks awesome, and the NES doesn't look half bad either. SMS Shadow of the Beast looks like they shouldn't have bothered.

Hey! What's wrong with ol' Beastie wearing denim Daisy Dukes?

Nothing.


http://alexkidd.com/

[Frank_fjs]

SMS holds up quite well me thinks, NES tends to look rather bland in comparison.

[_Paul]

Lol wut?

[esteban]

Lol wut?

[Mathius]

Yeah the Famicom/European NES version is a rad different.

[RegalSin]

As long as we know it is a girl, that is what counts.

[DrBread]

I think colors and how they're different changes someones interpretation on which ones better.

[esteban]

I think colors and how they're different changes someones interpretation on which ones better.

Hany, in a hallucinogenic haze, summons his determination and says, "I think colors, and how they're different, changes someone's interpretation, too."

[KnightWarrior]

Do a Street Fighter 2 Comparison

[NecroPhile]

Do a Street Fighter 2 Comparison

CrackTiger's Comparison

[Tatsujin]

lol, that should cover it for ever.

[soop]

I never knew there was vomit in SF II!!!

[SignOfZeta]

The two Godzilla games compared aren't even the same game other than they say "Godzilla" on the box.

[SignOfZeta]

I think colors and how they're different changes someones interpretation on which ones better.

I would assume this was a Regal Sin quote, but no credit is attributed. Also, it should be 3 or 4 pages longer and mention something about how VHS was the best video format ever.

[CrackTiger]

The two Godzilla games compared aren't even the same game other than they say "Godzilla" on the box.

Same goes for many other comparisons in this thread. It's not a "gameplay comparison" thread.

[esteban]

I think colors and how they're different changes someones interpretation on which ones better.

I would assume this was a Regal Sin quote, but no credit is attributed. Also, it should be 3 or 4 pages longer and mention something about how VHS was the best video format ever.

Hahahahhahahahhahaha. So very true.

[motdelbourt]

I think colors and how they're different changes someones interpretation on which ones better.

I would assume this was a Regal Sin quote, but no credit is attributed. Also, it should be 3 or 4 pages longer and mention something about how VHS was the best video format ever.

Hahahahhahahahhahaha. So very true.

Now I'm picturing him as the villain in the movie Ted.

[Mathius]

Request time! Someone please post comparison pics of Choaniki and Wings of War (Gynoug-MD). They are both developed by NCS/Masaya, and share similar gameplay and boss designs.

[Ceti Alpha]

lol, that should cover it for ever.

Truth!

[Mathius]

lol, that should cover it for ever.

Truth!

Ceti Returns!

[8bitForLife]

but nes has electrolytes its what Godzilla needs

The two Godzilla games compared aren't even the same game other than they say "Godzilla" on the box.

[Mathius]

Request time! Someone please post comparison pics of Choaniki and Wings of War (Gynoug-MD). They are both developed by NCS/Masaya, and share similar gameplay and boss designs.

[roflmao]

Request time! Someone please post comparison pics of Choaniki and Wings of War (Gynoug-MD). They are both developed by NCS/Masaya, and share similar gameplay and boss designs.

I don't have Choaniki, but I recently recorded some gameplay footage of Wings of Wor and posted it on yt. 

You can see that here:

[CrackTiger]

GNYOUG/WINGS OF WAR ---- CHO ANIKI ---- AI CO ANIKI
















Pics stolen from Duomazov Bros, Sega-16 and vgmuseum.