Are you a gamer? Collector? Both?

[geise]

I'm just a collector of certain series of games, such as Gradius/Parodious or Contra, but also games I like and will play.  All the games I own that are collectibles were bought way before they were collectibles.  Also Ebay doesn't make a game a collectible by charging $329872345098723490872345.01.  So I'm really just a gamer that collects to play I guess.  Collecting pce could be fun but the price is way out of my league, and I can't stand buying games that are utter shit.  So I will just stick to what I'm doing and just buy what I play.

[D-Lite]

I've been collecting and playing Turbo for years.  I have a complete US collection, I'm working on the Japanese collection, and I have some play copies of games too.  Sometimes it's one in the same, but for some games that I'd just rather not open, I may have a second copy.  I don't have stacks and the piles of the Japanese games you've all seen me sell are surplus from me getting games for the collection and for playing.  Sure, I collect, but I play a lot too.  And I won't collect for anything just for the sake of stacking crap up on a shelf.  Of course there are stacks, but that's just a matter of putting things in some order, yes?

I collect and play mainly a handful of systems:
Turbo/PCE
Neo Geo Pocket
IGS and ST-V

As you can see, I only really collect for systems with small game counts and ones that are a bit unusual.  The collection is managable, obtainable with a little effort, and the systems are pretty fun.  I play them regularly and they look great on the shelf.  Yes, I have a sealed Magical Chase, got it for a "reasonable" price, and no I'm not going to open it.  I find it hilarious the people that say they'd open it and do what have you with it just to prove a point.  Come on, you have it and know the value of it you're going to make some money on it.  Not saying there aren't some cases, but no one is going to throw away hundreds or thousands of dollars to prove that point. 

As others have said, as I've gotten older and have more obligations with work and the family, play time is at a premium.  So I'm clearing out some stuff like my Neo Geo kits and keeping only the stuff I play the most from that.  Moving a lot of gaming time to testing mods (which is the bulk of my Turbo time these days) and now the Wii where I have downloaded a lot of my favorite Turbo titles.  And the family can play more readily in that format.

I just have a collecting bug like a lot of people.  I just need to keep it managable.  And now I'm starting a new one, one that's fun and won't make me look like a loser.  Getting baseball games for the shelf, boxed ones especially since they're so cheap.  The collection will be pretty small, cost me nearly nothing, and I absolutely love to play baseball games.  I still regularly play World Class Baseball and Baseball Stars for NES.  RBI too (well, the PCE version ;)  ).

Yes, you can do both and I said roughly equal for me.  I just don't get the people that collect the entire NES and/or Atari library.

[RoyVegas]

I find it hilarious the people that say they'd open it and do what have you with it just to prove a point.  Come on, you have it and know the value of it you're going to make some money on it.  Not saying there aren't some cases, but no one is going to throw away hundreds or thousands of dollars to prove that point. 

I have to say that the opening a sealed Magical Chase comment does pop up here and there.  I recall when my buddy Oldskool said it in a forum post not to long ago, I called him up and gave him shit for it.  I really just don't get what the people that say it are trying to prove.  Ok, if some of you got your hands on a Magical Chase and really just wanted it to play it, why not sell the sealed one for the cash and buy an open one since all you want to do is play it?  Then you have the cash to pay off a student loan or a bill.  I mean really, it's just something to act all purist about being a "true gamer".  Noone is going to pay for it and then open it here. You can say you will all day long but fact of the matter is, if you had it in your hand you wouldn't do it.

[Arkhan Asylum]

sealed games are meant to be opened.

[nectarsis]

sealed games are meant to be opened.

Fully agree.

Not trying to flame yet another MC war, but I heartily disagree Roy. I personally am anal retentive about condition of my games (especially big $ games).  As i would only ever buy MC at a good price, I would more than happily open it right away.  I have done this with every/any game (even more expensive ones), damn expensive toys, whatever.  Seeing as I wouldnever pay a ridiculous price for it to begin with, I'd much rather open a sealed copy, then sell it, and wait/hope for a cheaper, more than likely lesser condition copy in the future.

[RoyVegas]

No war needed nec lol.  Everyones entitled to their opinions, some are just more popular than others.  If you're anal retentive about the condition of your games I could understand opening one if you really wanted to play it and still have one in great condition.  I think the statement really hinges on one thing, the price.  It would be alot more likely for someone to open it if they found it for a killer deal.  I can't see anyone paying the current amount that it's been selling for and opening it.

[Sparky]

I love that fact that some people see the money in it far to fast.

Fuck I got into this as I dig the tg16 and its a hobbie that I do that I can play and collect as well. Ya knowing the values is cool but hells, the values are all over the place and are all over priced, would anyone here pay the so called going amount for a MC sealed game??? pfffft come on, no you would not!!!!!

[Arkhan Asylum]

once i buy a game it kind of never leaves the house again, so the supposed value of any game can suck it..

if i ever end up with doubles i usually just try to trade them for other crap I want, or i sell them for whatever someone offers half the time.

[bust3dstr8]

I am an anti-collector. I just like to horde things because it keeps others from enjoying them.

[Lord Thag]

I'm mainly a gamer, but due to being friends with several big collectors (and running a retrogaming convention lol), I've definately become a collector. I have a lot of stuff (2000+ games), but ALL of them have been bought with the express intent of playing them. If they end up sucking, they sit on the shelf, but I enjoy having a big library to pull from for whatever mood strikes me.

Games are meant to be played. I do understand the collector mentality (being friends with two), and the ones I know keep the sealed games the way a museum might keep an exhibit. They see themselves as preserving these games for posterity, and eventually donating/creating a museum for the dawn of the gaming age. Not my cup of tea, but then again, I'm more of a player than a collector.

I will happily buy your Atari card that has 'Bobby' written on it in sharpie marker, so long as it works. Don't care about the box generally. I just want it to PLAY 

[NecroPhile]

They see themselves as preserving these games for posterity, and eventually donating/creating a museum for the dawn of the gaming age.

Sounds like a lame museum, akin to a fine art museum where all the art is in packing crates with only a Polaroid pic taped to the outside to represent what's enclosed.

[geise]

I seriously doubt any game company spent all the hours and labor to have their game sit on a shelf in a sealed box.

[RoyVegas]

I seriously doubt any game company spent all the hours and labor to have their game sit on a shelf in a sealed box. 

There are many things around that are used for things other than what they are intented.  Cars were just meant for transportation yet people have classics sitting in a showroom that are only for show.  Baseball cards were meant to be traded/collected yet kids like to stick them to their bicycle spokes to make a cool clicking sound.  Dirt bikes were intended to ride in the desert, not do backflips on.  The list is endless on things that are kept/used/done in ways other than they wern't intended.

Every game forum has the sealed argument and people that don't like sealed games.  Truth of the matter is, it's just people being judgemental.  Some like sealed games, some like boxed collections, some like case/manual/game/sleeve, some like game/manual, some like theirs loose.  Are any of them wrong?  NOPE.  It's personal preference.

[geise]

Yes I agree, and it's all fine and dandy.  However it keeps regular gamers from playing game X that's sitting on a shelf in fancy plastic for people to oogle over.  Especially games that are low in print runs.  It makes a game even more scarce and it drives the price up more than it should be.  That person isn't even going to play the game.  Makes it even harder for a gamer to get game X.  It's personal preference yes, but that preference is lame.  My opinion of course.

[RoyVegas]

However it keeps regular gamers from playing game X

If regular gamers only want to play it, there are other options other than trying to get an original copy.  Now if you the type that want's an original copy, I can see that.

that's sitting on a shelf in fancy plastic for people to oogle over.

I have my collection in my living room (because that's where I have room) and I can tell you that not a single person that's ever come in my house has "oogled" over it.  If anything the women I bring home think I'm fucking retarded for having all the video games period.

[jperryss]

If regular gamers only want to play it, there are other options other than trying to get an original copy.  Now if you the type that want's an original copy, I can see that.

IMO it's not so much about having an original copy, but being able to play on original hardware. Anyone can fire up their favorite emulator on the PC, but there's nothing like sitting on the couch in front of an old CRT with an original controller in hand. And usually you need an original copy of the game to do that.

I have my collection in my living room (because that's where I have room) and I can tell you that not a single person that's ever come in my house has "oogled" over it.  If anything the women I bring home think I'm fucking retarded for having all the video games period.

LMAO! I made sure my wife was accepting of that BEFORE getting married, heh. I don't keep mine in the living room though...

[RoyVegas]

I have my collection in my living room (because that's where I have room) and I can tell you that not a single person that's ever come in my house has "oogled" over it.  If anything the women I bring home think I'm fucking retarded for having all the video games period.

LMAO! I made sure my wife was accepting of that BEFORE getting married, heh. I don't keep mine in the living room though...

Yup, any GOOD woman should support you and your interests.  Some of the women I've gone out with lately say video games are a pet peeve of theirs.  My thoughts? "Dinner was great!  How about we go back to YOUR place?"  HA!

[jperryss]

Some of the women I've gone out with lately say video games are a pet peeve of theirs.  My thoughts? "Dinner was great!  How about we go back to YOUR place?"  HA!

That's when you reply with "Well, whiny non-understanding bitches are a pet peeve of MINE!".

(It's no wonder I was single for so long.)

[Arkhan Asylum]

im pretty anti-hoard the sealed copies.    The only people who should be hoarded those are the developers.

Like if the lead programmer of Bonk is like "THIS IS SEALED COPY #1. FIRST COPY OF THE GAME EVER" and has it framed on a wall...

THAT is legit.



Joe Shmoe McGamehoarder, not so much.

[Raizen1984]

If regular gamers only want to play it, there are other options other than trying to get an original copy.  Now if you the type that want's an original copy, I can see that.

Why the fuck should 'regular' gamers have to resort to emulation or illegal means to play a game just because people like you feel like hoarding and displaying them?  What the fuck is the point?  Either play them or give them to someone that will!

Normally I'm pretty calm, but that response pissed me off.

[Arkhan Asylum]

yeah... everyone deserves the chance to play the games on real hardware as they were intended to.  gaming isn't a country club where only certain people get to do that..

[RoyVegas]

Why the fuck should 'regular' gamers have to resort to emulation or illegal means to play a game just because people like you feel like hoarding and displaying them?

Noones stopping you from buying a copy of any game and playing it.  Save your paycheck and go buy a game if you want one so bad.

As far as hoarding comment goes, that's pretty interesting.  Most of the people on this forum have 100+ games (and they cant play them all at once) so are they all hoarders too or are you just picking and choosing who to bitch at?  Either way whether a game is sealed or a game is open, it's still sitting on someones shelf somewhere.

What the fuck is the point?

The point is I can do what I want with my collection and my money.  There's no need to justify it and you don't have to agree with it.  I like my collection one way, some agree with it yet others disagree.

[Raizen1984]

Noones stopping you from buying a copy of any game and playing it.  Save your paycheck and go buy a game if you want one so bad.

This would be a lot easier and more practical if some of the games weren't the ridiculous prices they are.  I'll never be able to get a copy of Magical Chase.  And yes, people like you are to blame.

As far as hoarding comment goes, that's pretty interesting.  Most of the people on this forum have 100+ games (and they cant play them all at once) so are they all hoarders too or are you just picking and choosing who to bitch at?  Either way whether a game is sealed or a game is open, it's still sitting on someones shelf somewhere.

I know I don't have over 100 games.  I can't claim to know how many games anyone here has.  I do know that you buy sealed games in bulk without ever intending to play them.  I'd call that hoarding.

The point is I can do what I want with my collection and my money.  There's no need to justify it and you don't have to agree with it.  I like my collection one way, some agree with it yet others disagree.

I don't care about your collection.  I care that collectors are driving the prices up on games so that they can display them on a shelf and never play them.  I don't know you very well, but based on what I've been reading here in this thread, I know you're part of the problem.

[NecroPhile]

As far as hoarding comment goes, that's pretty interesting.  Most of the people on this forum have 100+ games (and they cant play them all at once) so are they all hoarders too or are you just picking and choosing who to bitch at?  Either way whether a game is sealed or a game is open, it's still sitting on someones shelf somewhere.

Perhaps, but there's a distinct difference between having a single copy of a given title and having multiple copies of the same game.
 

The point is I can do what I want with my collection and my money.  There's no need to justify it and you don't have to agree with it.  I like my collection one way, some agree with it yet others disagree.

Then why in the hell do you keep doing just that?

[RoyVegas]

This would be a lot easier and more practical if some of the games weren't the ridiculous prices they are.  I'll never be able to get a copy of Magical Chase.  And yes, people like you are to blame.

Right supply and demand has nothing to do with that at all.  Limited print run and huge demand, go figure.

I know I don't have over 100 games.  I can't claim to know how many games anyone here has.  I do know that you buy sealed games in bulk without ever intending to play them.  I'd call that hoarding.

Sure thats what you THINK you know.  I bought I HUGE batch of sealed games, that's a fact.  I don't intend to play them, thats also a fact.  What I am doing with them is selling them on eBay.  That's not hoarding, that's business.

I don't care about your collection.  I care that collectors are driving the prices up on games so that they can display them on a shelf and never play them.  I don't know you very well, but based on what I've been reading here in this thread, I know you're part of the problem.

For your info if you look at the poll of how people rate themselves on this forum, like 75% of them say they are some form of collector.  And if by your logic collectors are driving up the prices, that would make us ALL part of the problem wouldn't it?

[RoyVegas]

The point is I can do what I want with my collection and my money.  There's no need to justify it and you don't have to agree with it.  I like my collection one way, some agree with it yet others disagree.

Then why in the hell do you keep doing just that?

I'm not trying to really justify what I do.  I'm discussing what I see as flawed logic.

[Raizen1984]

Right supply and demand has nothing to do with that at all.  Limited print run and huge demand, go figure.

Bullshit.  There are other games, even other Turbo games, that had a smaller print run than MC, and don't fetch it's price. 

Sure thats what you THINK you know.  I bought I HUGE batch of sealed games, that's a fact.  I don't intend to play them, thats also a fact.  What I am doing with them is selling them on eBay.  That's not hoarding, that's business.

Alright, fair enough.

For your info if you look at the poll of how people rate themselves on this forum, like 75% of them say they are some form of collector.  And if by your logic collectors are driving up the prices, that would make us ALL part of the problem wouldn't it?

In a poll where 4 of the 5 selectable options call you a collector, this means very little.

And you know the kind of collector I'm refering to.  Collecting games you want to play versus collecting to have showpieces are vastly different.

[RoyVegas]

Bullshit.  There are other games, even other Turbo games, that had a smaller print run than MC, and don't fetch it's price. 

I believe there are ones with similar print runs but none that actually had smaller print runs. Am I wrong?

In a poll where 4 of the 5 selectable options call you a collector, this means very little.

And you know the kind of collector I'm refering to.  Collecting games you want to play versus collecting to have showpieces are vastly different.

Showpieces?  Sorry man but I fail to see where ANY part of the collection is a showpiece.  Their fucking video games.

[Raizen1984]

I believe there are ones with similar print runs but none that actually had smaller print runs. Am I wrong?

Order of the Griffon had a smaller print run, I believe.  I read that on here, and I'm sure there's others.

Showpieces?  Sorry man but I fail to see where ANY part of the collection is a showpiece.  Their fucking video games.

That's exactly my point.  They're fucking video games.  Play them once and a while.

[Windancer]

Holy crap Roy has 1 copy of each game it's not like he's hoarding multiple copies of 1 game in his living room. now if he had say 10 copies of bonk and 10 copies of dungeon explorer etc etc now I would say he is hoarding but its not like he has a shitload of each game. You guys need to get over it his collection is awesome! plus he plays whenever he has company im a witness to that the man can game too he is way better at alot genres than I am.  really who cares anyway

[NecroPhile]

I believe there are ones with similar print runs but none that actually had smaller print runs. Am I wrong?

TTI never released official numbers, but Order of the Griffon (as Raiz noted) and World Sports Competition are reputed to have had smaller print runs.

Showpieces?  Sorry man but I fail to see where ANY part of the collection is a showpiece.  Their fucking video games.

Unless you've devised a way to play games while they're still sealed within their packaging, their sole purpose is for display (i.e. a piece for show).

Holy crap Roy has 1 copy of each game it's not like he's hoarding multiple copies of 1 game in his living room.

The picture he posted shows to the contrary; I counted at least four copies of Ordyne.

really who cares anyway

You, apparently.  As does Roy with his continued justification (look it up Roy, it's exactly what you're doing) and his tired argument against him being a part of the problem of escalating prices.

[RoyVegas]

Unless you've devised a way to play games while they're still sealed within their packaging, their sole purpose is for display (i.e. a piece for show).

Their sole purpose is the challenge of collecting them sealed for cheap.  Not to show them off.  I have done things AND bought many things worth showing off, having cardboard and plastic on a shelf doesn't rate with any of them.

The picture he posted shows to the contrary; I counted at least four copies of Ordyne.

Theres actually 3 there.  I'd happily trade the extras for others I don't have.

You, apparently.

Apparently you also, as you are posting about it

tired argument against him being a part of the problem of escalating prices

As you can clearly see by the Ordyne example you clearly pointed out.  My having 3 copies has clearly raised the value of it?  HMMM

Or does my supply/demand statement support what I mean here?

[Sparky]

Holy crap Roy has 1 copy of each game it's not like he's hoarding multiple copies of 1 game in his living room

i could not resist this...hahahahaha...

Some pics of my house after my big storage shed game find.

no its not tg16 games,and he is not hording these either as he is selling but i could not resist... tied in beautifully with the quote huggles windy

[RoyVegas]

Ok, I have to admit.   That's fucking funny as hell. 

[Windancer]

yeah that is funny. this is my last post in the fighting streets I dont like the heat and im gettin out while the gettin is good 

[Arkhan Asylum]

if youve got multiple copies of stuff, and things to trade, it might be wise to make a thread or even a website keeping track of your inventory of whats good-to-go. maybe sell all the bulk stuff off independent of ebay.  websites are stupid easy to setup!  Hell even I managed it :-D

Finding out about tradeables via an argument is sorta doofy.

[NecroPhile]

Their sole purpose is the challenge of collecting them sealed for cheap.

Mission accomplished!  When are you going to sell them all?

Not to show them off.  I have done things AND bought many things worth showing off, having cardboard and plastic on a shelf doesn't rate with any of them.

I repeat: if you keep sealed games on a shelf, they are utterly useless except for being looked at (or possibly as an investment, albeit a rather poor one).  If I have a painting on one wall created by myself and a Matisse on the opposite wall, does that mean that the former is something other than art?  It might be bad art, especially so by comparison, but art nonetheless; their relative value as showpieces is entirely irrelevant, as it has no bearing on what they are.

Theres actually 3 there. 

It looked like three sealed copies and one open copy to me, but the actual number is irrelevant anyway.  Windy stated that you don't have multiple copies of the exact same title, which is patently untrue.

I'd happily trade the extras for others I don't have.

Good for you.  Would you let them go for what they cost you?

Apparently you also, as you are posting about it

What's your point?  I never said I didn't care, nor was I admonishing others for posting.

As you can clearly see by the Ordyne example you clearly pointed out.  My having 3 copies has clearly raised the value of it?  HMMM

Or does my supply/demand statement support what I mean here?

Do you not understand the laws of supply and demand?  New games aren't being manufactured, so the supply remains constant; by buying multiple copies of the same title, you've artificially inflated demand; therefor, yes you've clearly raised its value.  I'm not claiming that you've single handedly made some huge impact on the price of games, but you are a part of the big picture.  Similarly, a single reseller on ebay (such as Gamesquad) can't truly exert much control over values, but when you get enough like minded people together you end up with the skewed market we 'enjoy' today.

[RoyVegas]

Mission accomplished!  When are you going to sell them all?

Haven't really thought about selling any of the sealed stuff.  Trading off the dupes sure.

I repeat: if you keep sealed games on a shelf, they are utterly useless except for being looked at (or possibly as an investment, albeit a rather poor one).  If I have a painting on one wall created by myself and a Matisse on the opposite wall, does that mean that the former is something other than art?  It might be bad art, especially so by comparison, but art nonetheless; their relative value as showpieces is entirely irrelevant, as it has no bearing on what they are.

Ok their showpieces to you and some others.  Cool.  I don't see it that way.

Would you let them go for what they cost you?

Sure.  Want one?

I'm not claiming that you've single handedly made some huge impact on the price of games, but you are a part of the big picture.  Similarly, a single reseller on ebay (such as Gamesquad) can't truly exert much control over values, but when you get enough like minded people together you end up with the skewed market we 'enjoy' today.

Ok, I see a ton of truth in this.  I agree I am part of the bigger picture, I'll even go so far as to say I play a TINY bit more of a part in it since I like sealed games also.  I also agree with your statement about Gamesquad and the like minded people.  Where I see a little difference is in where the blame lies.  Is it really the sellers or the buyers that are the problem?  If a game sits up there and noone buys it at a high price, won't the seller be forced to lower the price eventually since it never sells (this is for "buy it now" auctions)?  If it does sell at the high price its more the buyers fault for paying the inflated price and not being patient and waiting for an auction isn't it?

As for regular auctions.  That's purely driven by the buyer.  If the price goes through the roof then that's clearly what it is worth to those specific buyers. 

I guess basically what I am saying is if the buyers stopped paying the high prices and the games didn't sell then the sellers would be forced to lower their prices or just not sell anything.  I think the buyers are just as much to blame as the sellers are.

[NecroPhile]

Haven't really thought about selling any of the sealed stuff.  Trading off the dupes sure.

So they're serving a purpose beyond the thrill of the hunt, eh?

Ok their showpieces to you and some others.  Cool.  I don't see it that way.

So what are they to you?  What are you going to do with 'em besides look at 'em from time to time?

Sure.  Want one?

Not of Ordyne, thanks.  I already have it.

I guess basically what I am saying is if the buyers stopped paying the high prices and the games didn't sell then the sellers would be forced to lower their prices or just not sell anything.  I think the buyers are just as much to blame as the sellers are.

I'll agree that foolish buyers are also part of the problem, but not equally so.  There are quite a few ebay sellers with overinflated prices that seem perfectly content to wait for a sucker to bite.  They keep relisting their overpriced wares, numbing buyers to their silly prices, and consequently driving up the price for all auctions of the same title.

[Raizen1984]

Sure thats what you THINK you know.  I bought I HUGE batch of sealed games, that's a fact.  I don't intend to play them, thats also a fact.  What I am doing with them is selling them on eBay.  That's not hoarding, that's business.

Haven't really thought about selling any of the sealed stuff.  Trading off the dupes sure.

Hmmm....   

[RoyVegas]

Hmmm....  

Read up to Sparky's post.  You're confusing two different issues.  The sealed lot I bought out of a storage shed was 4882 sealed games.  None of those are Turbografx games and they are all for sale. 

The second quote is about my Turbografx collection.

ANYWAY...  Stop derailing the thread fucktard.  Oh wait, I put it in fighting street ha!  Derail away!  lol

[Raizen1984]

ANYWAY...  Stop derailing the thread fucktard.

LOL.

I still think it's hilarious that you buy sealed Turbo games, don't intend to open or sell them, and you're still trying to argue that you're not using them as showpieces.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I truly don't see a point to collecting sealed games.

VIDEO GAME:    any of various games played using a microcomputer with a keyboard and often joysticks to manipulate changes or respond to the action or questions on the screen.

What part of that says "stick on shelf and stare at it".  What if this was back in the day?  Would you buy all the games new and leave them sealed and never touch them?  The answer had better be "no".  And then my next question is, what makes it so different today other than the lame, assumed "1337" factor of boasting your sealed game collection to the rest of the internets.

I can only imagine the reaction of developers back then if they were told these kind of things.

They didn't slave away for hours on end so that their finished product can sit on a shelf still sealed.....

I mean, collecting sealed games, profiteering, and all of that is an insult to the entire gaming scene.  Especially the retro stuff. 

this is also precisely why Insanity wasn't shrink wrapped.  I didn't want some wiseass eBaying sealed copies 10 years from now for some obnoxious amount.  That being said, if anyone ever sees sealed copies of Insanity, alert me so I can locate and bludgeon the seller.

They're all unsealed.  Worthless to collectors!  Good!  :-D

[RoyVegas]

This is nothing new.  You don't like it, ok.  Some will never understand it.  You do things your way I'll do them mine.  The only difference is that some can't respect other peoples choices with what they do with their own shit.

Collection:  something that is collected; a group of objects or an amount of material accumulated in one location, esp. for some purpose or as a result of some process: a stamp collection; a collection of unclaimed hats in the checkroom; a collection of books on Churchill. .

What part of that says "stick on shelf and stare at it".

The definition of collection appears to say material accumulated in one location.  However it obviously doesn't specify the state in which the object has to be in.

I can only imagine the reaction of developers back then if they were told these kind of things.

Stamps were meant as postage for letters yet people collect those.  Imagine what the reaction of the creators would be like if they were told these kind of things!




Seriously guys why always beat the same dead horse like somethings going to be different.   Your personal way of doing things doesn't make you right or wrong, it makes it YOUR way.  So stop trying to shove the shit on me or others.  Reminds me of the religious assholes that like to come to the door and preach their religion like I give a flying fuck what they have to say.

[Arkhan Asylum]

This is nothing new.  You don't like it, ok.  Some will never understand it.  You do things your way I'll do them mine.  The only difference is that some can't respect other peoples choices with what they do with their own shit.

The problem is, what you are doing with "your own shit" directly impacts how others get to enjoy and obtain their same shit.

Collection:  something that is collected; a group of objects or an amount of material accumulated in one location, esp. for some purpose or as a result of some process: a stamp collection; a collection of unclaimed hats in the checkroom; a collection of books on Churchill. .

What part of that says "stick on shelf and stare at it".

The definition of collection appears to say material accumulated in one location.  However it obviously doesn't specify the state in which the object has to be in.

Stamps have already been used, or if they weren't, are eventually past the point of being useful.  Unclaimed hats will be claimed and WORN either way, and books on Churchill will be read.

Its safe to assume these "collections" have objects that were all used properly at one given point.  Other collections may be based off of items that are MEANT to be collected in the state they're in (baseball cards).

It is impossible to use a sealed game properly.

I can only imagine the reaction of developers back then if they were told these kind of things.

Stamps were meant as postage for letters yet people collect those.  Imagine what the reaction of the creators would be like if they were told these kind of things!

Stamp creators collect stamps.  Stamps are mass produced, easy to obtain, and only become rare/scarce after decades go by.  They aren't sealed.  They're dirt cheap.   

And as was said, they were either used as postage and then collected, or they were SO MASS PRODUCED IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE ARE HOLDING ON TO EM.

Seriously guys why always beat the same dead horse like somethings going to be different.   Your personal way of doing things doesn't make you right or wrong, it makes it YOUR way.  So stop trying to shove the shit on me or others.  Reminds me of the religious assholes that like to come to the door and preach their religion like I give a flying fuck what they have to say. 

I think alot of the problem is when someone as new to the PCE scene (and possibly the entire retro scene) as yourself shows up and starts going about things in an invasive way.  I mean you have been posting at PCEFX for less than a year and have already earned the nickname Roy "big money" Vegas.  It is kind of a slap in the face to people who have been doing this for awhile.

You show up and turn being a PC Engine fan into a money based RAER-hunt.  It appears that the collecting is more important than the gaming, and thats a turn off for alot of people.

I guess all I really have to ask is, did you really HAVE to have Magical Chase?    was it a game you've been keen on playing and owning ever since you were younger?

or was it the "OMG RAER" factor that drove you to it?    If it were as easy to obtain as Keith courage, would you have still gone apeshit about getting it?   I doubt it...

you'd probably pass sealed copies of it up if it were just another Keith Courage.

[RoyVegas]

I think alot of the problem is when someone as new to the PCE scene (and possibly the entire retro scene) as yourself shows up and starts going about things in an invasive way.  I mean you have been posting at PCEFX for less than a year and have already earned the nickname Roy "big money" Vegas.  It is kind of a slap in the face to people who have been doing this for awhile.

You'll have to forgive me for being invasive.  This was the first forum I ever signed up for.  Do you really think I expected come sign up and take a rash of shit for wanting the Turbo collection?  If I've earned a nickname so what?  So because I bought the collection and it didn't take me long its a slap in the face to people?  How is this my fault?

You show up and turn being a PC Engine fan into a money based RAER-hunt.

How so?  I wanted the collection, I bought it.  Rare or unrare I wanted the full collection just like most of the people here do.  So everyone here that wants the full collection is just a money based rare hunter or is it only me?

It appears that the collecting is more important than the gaming

You're fully aware of my gaming habits?  I probably play my Turbo more that 1/2 of the people here do.

I guess all I really have to ask is, did you really HAVE to have Magical Chase?

It's part of the whole turbo experience and I wanted it.  Did I HAVE to have it?  Of course not, it's not air,food or water.  Does anyone here have to have it?  Nope.  Everyone wants it but I can't want it too? 

was it a game you've been keen on playing and owning ever since you were younger?

Can't say that it was.  My parents bought me 1 game (Bonk's Adventure) and I had no hopes of getting another.  Shit I was just glad they even spent the cash on the Turbo.

or was it the "OMG RAER" factor that drove you to it?    If it were as easy to obtain as Keith courage, would you have still gone apeshit about getting it?

It was the "I dont have it" factor that drove me.  If it were as easy to get ask Keith Courage I surely would have gone apeshit about getting it, just like I did with EVERY game I didn't have.  I was more hardcore about getting MC because I was expecting it to be super hard to find and thought it was going to be the hardest to get.

[SNKNostalgia]

I just now thought about this, but my Neo Geo AES collection is worth around $8000. I nice chunk is due to a US KOF2000 ($1200-$1500) and US Mark of The Wolves ($600-$700). Then add that to my Neo CD collection at $1000. I have at least 10 carts that are worth $200-$250. With that money, I would actually have a complete TG-16 collection, plus some PCE games to boot. Keep in mind, this was done over 10 years with the AES and 13 years with the CD. On the bright side, I spent $5000 to get the carts, which gives me a $2000 bonus if I were to sell. Fun system to hunt down carts, especially when you get good deals. It is also scary, as there are good counterfeits on the expensive ones now.

BTW, I play the shit out of these games, but I take really good care of them. Hell even on my PS1 + PS2 I spent probably $15,000 over the years. Same goes for CDs and DVD at god knows what amount. I just never really thought about it like that. I just really like buying good games. I do admit, that nowadays I don't spend more than $150 for a game, period. I just don't care to fork that kinda cash now.

[Arkhan Asylum]

You'll have to forgive me for being invasive.  This was the first forum I ever signed up for.  Do you really think I expected come sign up and take a rash of shit for wanting the Turbo collection?  If I've earned a nickname so what?  So because I bought the collection and it didn't take me long its a slap in the face to people?  How is this my fault?

I don't think the whole magical chase scandal needs rehashed.  Everyone knows what happened.  Some people are less vocal about it.

How so?  I wanted the collection, I bought it.  Rare or unrare I wanted the full collection just like most of the people here do.  So everyone here that wants the full collection is just a money based rare hunter or is it only me?

see invasive.

You're fully aware of my gaming habits?  I probably play my Turbo more that 1/2 of the people here do.

It doesn't show.  Not here at least.  Theres more concern over "gamer/collector" debates, and "most expensive game", and crap like that.   Just sayin.

It's part of the whole turbo experience and I wanted it.  Did I HAVE to have it?  Of course not, it's not air,food or water.  Does anyone here have to have it?  Nope.  Everyone wants it but I can't want it too? 

Again, no point in rehashing the magical chase tragedy of 2009.

I fully understand the concept of collecting.  I really am not trying to put you down for collecting games.  The sealed games are a slightly different story, especially from a developer-standpoint.

What goods all the effort if they just sit on shelves...!

the only thing im not too keen on myself is the invasive/magical chase scandal-esque happenings. 

[RoyVegas]

For not rehashing the MC thing again, thanks for bringing it up three times in that post 

I can be invasive here, it fucking fighting street!

Ok, my posts don't show I'm a super uber gamer galore.  That doesn't I don't play my shit, it means I don't post about my gameplay.

[Sparky]

Roy, i wish i could find the post where i remember you typing "I am going to start opening all of my sealed games guys" this was awhile back in your post i think of your collection, not sure could have been in ichat, anyway man i cannot help to pay attention to you posts cause you are all over the place with your comments.

Also your Magical Chase fuckery of 2009 will always be brought up when you offer any advice on finding Magical Chase or knock an ebay seller of there prices.  Look, I do not think your a bad guy Roy but you should think before you post and what you have said/done in the past.

oh and since this is fighting street... fuck you and your magical chase