Atari Jaguar/3DO has good games?!

[Ceti Alpha]

I was talking with a friend of mine a couple days ago and the Jaguar was brought up. He was mentioning these war simulators that we used to play back in the late 90s. I remember them being quite good and being blown away by the animated battle sequences. I did a 30 second Google search for them, but came up with nothing. heh Just wondering if anybody here knows what games these could be. 

EDIT: I changed the title of the thread because it might have been the 3DO that he was thinking and is just remembering wrong.

[Opethian]

3DO: Star controller

Jaguar: AvP


not sure the systems had any other games worth owning ^_^

[Ceti Alpha]

3DO: Star controller

Jaguar: AvP


not sure the systems had any other games worth owning ^_^

haha. OK, I guess the proper term for the category of game would be "turn-based strategy".

[SignOfZeta]

Each of those systems is shit, but they have one good game each: Power Drive Rally (Jag) and Return Fire (3DO).

Anyone who says anything else nice about those systems is just one of those slobs that collects crappy, looser, black, vaguely American game machines and has no ability to tell chocolate from shit. They almost certainly own a CDi, which they also have nice things to say about. And live in a stinky old firetrap trailer with fake wood paneling.

Also, they have a complete collection of every pre-32-bit Mortal Kombat released, and a copy of Grand Theft Auto 3 that reeks intensely of cigarettes and milk.

And they kiss their sister.

And their favorite game of all time is Thrill Kill.

If they are of the elite branch, they may also have an AES, but the only game they own is 3 Count Bout. Also, they probably own a TG-16 because they see it is a similar sort of thing to the CDi, Jag, and 3DO because it too was a huge flop...but they are wrong. It is not related!

None of this is open to interpretation or debate. I am %100 correct. You know these sorts of people, you know you do.

[Ceti Alpha]

None of this is open to interpretation or debate. I am %100 correct. You know these sorts of people, you know you do.

Woa! haha That's quite the position you're taking. I can't say I can dispute you, though. lol

Well, when these systems first came out we rented them just to see what they were like, but none of my friends own them, nor wish to buy them.

[NecroPhile]

Baldies had pretty cool cut scenes, but I don't recall any particularly impressive battle sequences.  Plus, while the Jaguar had quite a few real-time strategy games, such as Cannon Fodder, Syndicate, and the aforementioned Baldies, I can't think of a single turn-based strategy title (unless you stretch your definition to include Worms), so the games you're thinking of were likely on the 3DO.

Each of those systems is shit, but they have one good game each: Power Drive Rally (Jag) and Return Fire (3DO).

Anyone who says anything else nice about those systems is just one of those slobs that collects crappy, looser, black, vaguely American game machines and has no ability to tell chocolate from shit.

The existence of Tempest 2000 has rendered your condescending argument entirely moot.

[td741]

Umm...

Well, depends on perspective.  I did enjoy some 3D0 games back around release and there were a few okay Jaguar games as well.

Of course, the main problem is that a lot of the games didn't age well.  I find a lot of the 3D0 3D games are a bit jerky in terms of frame-rates.  (FIFA Soccer was awesome when it just came out, but not it's a bit of a jerky mess...)  Oh, and some of the better games were ported to other systems. ;)

Some of the 3D0 games that come to mind as ones that might still be playable and I don't think have been ported:
- Twisted (fun with more then one player... still play this one occasionally with my wife).
- Road Rash 3D0
- Guardian War (Turned Based "strategy" using "Golems")

Jaguar:
- Iron Soldier
- Tempest 2000

Hmm...  I guess I could look through the ones that I own.

[SignOfZeta]

Tempest 2000 is also on PS and SS, and just as good. I'm pretty sure Road Rash 3D was ported to one or both of these systems too. I've heard the port isn't as good, but I'm no expert since...well, EVERY copy of Road Rash smells like cigaettes and milk, know what I mean?

Iron Soldier: this game is the definition of "aged poorly". See also: Guardian War. I mean, seriously, you can't actually say that you' ever play these games, can you?

As for condescending...sorry, I don' t know what you're talking about.

[NecroPhile]

Tempest 2000 is also on PS and SS, and just as good.

So if it ain't exclusive, then it's shit. 

[SignOfZeta]

Not at all, but if the only decent games you have exclusive, and then they become non-exclusive, then what do you have? Rayman was fucking rad when it came out, but when it hit SS and PS it was obvious that its rad-ness had nothing to do with Atari.

Return Fire is also on PS, but it is better on 3DO because the Jeep is still a Jeep and not a stupid Humvee. The unreleased Saturn version had the Jeep as well, but it requires a mod chip or emulator or whatever to play, so its advantage 3DO in this case.

[TheClash603]

Although I have not spent much time with the 3DO (although a friend of mine had it, and the only game we ever played was an awesome Street Fight 2 Turbo), I have played quite a bit of Jaguar in my day.

There are a slew of pretty good games such as Flip Out!, Alien Vs. Predator, NBA Jam TE (probably the best home port), Doom (minus the lack of music, best on a home system at that time), Rayman, Raiden, and Tempest 2000.  Each of these games have gotten quite a bit of play time out of me.

I have also heard Atari Karts, Ruiner Pinball, and Total Carnage are quite good, but I never have played these games.

[Joe Redifer]

Zeta's post is made of pure awesome.  I think the only good game for the Jag is Tempest 2000.  There are no good games for the CD attachment.  I have never played Power Drive Rally.  The good games for the 3DO are Return Fire (can be had on the PS1) and, ummm, hold on, I'll think of something... oh yeah, Road Rash!  You can also get that on the PS1, but the 3DO version is ever-so-slightly better.  One of the 3DO's most favorite things to do was load.  It couldn't do it enough.  It had a 1/2000 speed CD drive.  It loaded about 8 bits of data per second.  The technology in the machine was really poor.  Let's not forget about the limited amount of save space with no way to expand it.  And the super-shitty controllers.  It also had a game called Way of the Warrior programmed by Naughty Dog of Uncharted 2 fame.  Unfortunately, the game is a big steaming pile of poo and anyone who even moderately appreciates it probably molests their children.

[SignOfZeta]

Virtual House, or whatever it was called, was a LOAD MONSTER.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Atari Jaguar/3DO has good games?!

No.

[Tatsujin]

i have like a shit load of 3DO games, but can't think of more than 3 good gems -> Super Street Fighter 2 X, Samurai shodown, puzzle bobble...

anything else from the 3DO fraction? 

[Joe Redifer]

Those aren't even real 3DO games.  You can get the same games done just as well or better on other platforms.

Also, Gex on 3DO runs like shit compared to the Playstation and Saturn versions.  The frame rate seems choppy because the 3DO is so goddamned wimpy that it can only scroll the 2D backgrounds at 30fps or so whereas they scroll at 60fps on the Saturn and PS.  The 3DO is such a loser system.  Trip Hawkins deserves chronic diarrhea for even thinking of it.

[Tatsujin]

Those aren't even real 3DO games.  You can get the same games done just as well or better on other platforms.

You are right. Still those are the best I can think of.

[blueraven]

I can't Believe this thread exists.

The only decent game between the two systems is Alien vs. Predator for the Jaguar. Youtube it if you's like

If you haven't seen Way of the Warrior:   

Everyone reading this thread should just play turbo.

[SignOfZeta]

Unless you are a fan of grainy low-fi vintage FPS (is anyone) AvP has, like most of these things, run its course.

Return Fire is every bit as fun as it was back in the day though. They should make a Wiiware version of that thing...

[Joe Redifer]

Oh man, i had forgotten how horrible the music in Way of the Warrior was.  Perhaps the worst music in any videogame?

[blueraven]

Oh man, i had forgotten how horrible the music in Way of the Warrior was.  Perhaps the worst music in any videogame? 

Craptastic. The metal band sounds drunk. Perhaps that is why they looped the drummer after one fill. Also, notice how Crimson Glory jumps 20 feet in the air despite cankles and a beer gut.

[CrackTiger]

If you can appreciate a version of a game on a console even if better versions exist elsewhere, I had a lot of fun with Wolfenstein 3D on both Jaguar and 3DO, but the 3DO version looked so much better. Doom on Jaguar is also cool. Raiden and Rayman are two more solid Jaguar games. 3DO also has Puzzle Bobble, Samurai Showdown, Super Street Fighter II X and Policenauts and the Policenauts "Pilot disk" (or what ever it's called). Policenauts 3DO is a little different than the Playstation and Saturn versions. I believe that it has the Snatcher style talking heads, which alone makes it worth playing.

I think that the 3DO version of Flashback is supposed to be the best on consoles. There's also Out of This World which I'm sure is a solid port, but I seem to remember that there's something about it.

Cannon Fodder is supposed to be good and I believe that it's on both systems. People have said good things about The Horde for 3DO, another sim game that I gave up on after half an hour (but I don't like sims). The Incredible Machine for 3DO looks like it could be a lot of fun if you spend enough time with it.

Jaguar has Worms and 3DO has Lemmings.

The game I bought a 3DO for and which didn't disappoint is Lucienne's Quest. It was probably the first 3D "JRPG" that came out over here. There's Saturn port (Swords & Sorcery), but it's not nearly as good.

Oh man, i had forgotten how horrible the music in Way of the Warrior was.  Perhaps the worst music in any videogame?

I believe that White Zombie did some or all of the soundtrack. Probably pre-La Sexorcisto by the sounds of it.

[td741]

Super Burnout was pretty decent Hang-On rip-off on the Jag...  The graphics are good (if not very varied) and the music is pretty good.  Too bad the 2 player option was crippled. ;)

I haven't played much 3D0 in the past few years so my memory is a bit fuzzy.  (The last thing I did play was Twisted, which I think still works.  But it's not a game to play solo. ;))

[Ceti Alpha]

I'm guessing that maybe the game I'm thinking of was Baldies.  Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me and I'm remembering the game to be better than it really is. heh

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Kasumi Ninja on Jag is far superior to Way of the Warrior on 3Do.

Also I picked up Out of this World for 3Do a few months back for $1.  But I don't have a 3Do to play it on :C  That should play pretty smoothly!!

[oldskool]

I like 3DO.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Oh man, i had forgotten how horrible the music in Way of the Warrior was.  Perhaps the worst music in any videogame? 

the whole game is horrible.

Those PC-FX 3D Tech prototypes are better games, lol

[geise]

The game I bought a 3DO for and which didn't disappoint is Lucienne's Quest. It was probably the first 3D "JRPG" that came out over here. There's Saturn port (Swords & Sorcery), but it's not nearly as good.

Thank god someone finally mentioned Lucienne's Quest!  I also own the Saturn version and yes I like the 3DO version over the Saturn.  It's a great game that should be owned if you own a 3DO or a Saturn.  I think I bought the Saturn version for $3 off ebay years ago.  Microcabin did some decent games on the 3DO.

I prefer Tempest 2000 on the Jaguar over the PSX or Saturn versions.  I think the sound is better to me plus it's on a cart and not a CD.  Yak is the programmer on all of the ports of Tempest 2000, even he prefers his Jaguar port.  He did the whole damn game by himself.  He's an amazing programmer and did some great stuff back in the Atari ST and Amiga days.  I was blown away when I first played Tempest 2000 on the Jaguar.   Rayman was also first on the Jaguar and was just as good to me as the psx and saturn ports.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Microcabin did some decent games on the 3DO.

That is because you could give Microcabin a toaster and magic markers and they'll make the best video game ever out of it. lol.


Those people are all aliens sent back in time to give us kick-ass games (with nice FM music where applicable)

[Tatsujin]

I will play my 3DO this WE. This will be a feast

[Arkhan Asylum]

This will be a feast

Of mediocrity.

[blueraven]

Or a feast of FAIL

[Ceti Alpha]

Or a feast of FAIL

[Tatsujin]

Or a feast of FAIL

therefore teh