Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

[Medic_wheat]

Not OBEY related but eBay related.


Saw a listing for the NA Saturn Megaman 7 disk only.

Seller has it listed at $111.11.

I shot a message saying how about $50. Expecting maybe a $70 rang throw back response. Or to simply fuck off lol

The seller throws back that it's "the going rate"

My response pressing 1 over and over is "going rate" why not $55.55 or $222.22.

Sellers final response "if you can find it cheaper go for it".



It's BIN with seemingly arbitrary numbers thrown in and the only defensive rebuttal "it's he going rate"


So yes. A seller status the price. People are not activity saying hey saw you wanted $50 BIN. But I want to give you $1,000.

Mega Man 8? or X4? 7 never came out on Saturn

Blah. MM8.



I already have MMX4

Well good luck. I found my CIB MM8 on Saturn last year for $110 so deals can still be found if you are patient!

Will do. I can always wait for someone on a forum to sell or look for trade towards MM8 SS. It's not a priority.

[jonebone]

This guy really knows how to build a straw man. 

Do you not understand the difference between auction and buy it now?  At auction, 2 bidders determine the value and it is "fair game" for bidding.  At an underpriced buy it now, it is literally the first person to buy it.  You either glosssed over the point, or you don't understand how eBay works.

Obviously I understand how ebay works, but I'm not willing to dismiss all BINs as irrelevant.  Is that really so hard for you to understand?

I'm not dismissing all BINs as irrelevant either, just significantly undervalued ones.  They probably listed it on year / two year ago pricing and hadn't kept up with the market.  I know there's plenty of items I own where I see what they are selling now and can't believe it myself. 

As for point 2, who said anything about reselling?  I'm willing to buy it for my collection at $100 and I'm not selling any TG16 games here.  Only an idiot would buy a game at $100 and try to sell at $125 anyway, not worth the effort.

You're trying to use your lack offers as proof of Impossamole's value, but that's nonsense.  There's plenty of other factors in play: the odds of many resellers seeing your request in this particular thread are slim to none (especially over such a short period of time), we're not sitting on piles of duplicates just waiting to be sold, few are willing to sell anything and everything out of their personal collections if someone would only offer the right price, and some people wouldn't sell to you no matter what.

How is it nonsense?  I have a $100 offer that is unfilled demand, and if it appears on eBay again I'll be bidding.  I probably wouldn't bid exactly $100 because I'm cheap and like to get a good deal, but I'm sure I'd go $70/$80.  Now, perhaps once I obtain a copy, no one else is "dumb" enough to pay that and price would drop.  But until that happens I'm confident value is not as low as people would think.

Also, worth noting that box condition does play a factor.  You could argue that $125 is more of a Excellent to Mint price, maybe $60 is price with a totally trashed box and Very Good is somewhere in the middle.  Price does need to be taken with a grain of salt... though my initial comments are just stating that $125 on a Excellcent fully complete copy isn't ridiculous in the current market.

[Gentlegamer]

Your idea of "current market" is a self-fulfilling wish.

A real market has offers and bids, and changes from auction to auction. An offer ("low" BIN) that is lifted is just as much part of the market as anything else. I know you think you're keen on markets and sniping "undervalued" stuff to flip, but all you're doing is acting on low information buyers and selling them your "current market" story.

You're running into resistance here because we actually understand the whole market and are not the usual low information, impulsive collectards you're used to dealing with.

[KingofGames]

You're running into resistance here because we actually understand the whole market and are not the usual low information, impulsive collectards you're used to dealing with.

What does this even mean? How are you immune to what games are currently, actively selling for? I would like to purchase a copy of Super Star Soldier for $30 and not a penny more. How do I avoid being an impulsive collectard and make this happen?

[bob]

You're running into resistance here because we actually understand the whole market and are not the usual low information, impulsive collectards you're used to dealing with.

What does this even mean? How are you immune to what games are currently, actively selling for? I would like to purchase a copy of Super Star Soldier for $30 and not a penny more. How do I avoid being an impulsive collectard and make this happen?

You are an odd cat.  Reading through your post history, I'm not sure what to think. 
Granted, many of them are old, but it kind of adds to my confusion.

[KingofGames]

Not that odd, actually.

[esteban]

Such a shame that the game is sealed. It should be played and enjoyed, even though it is an average game that no one really wants to play.

I have had the thrill of experiencing Darkwing Duck pogo around on my TurboExpress whilst playing my opened, second boxed Darkwing Dunk.

[Gentlegamer]

You're running into resistance here because we actually understand the whole market and are not the usual low information, impulsive collectards you're used to dealing with.

What does this even mean? How are you immune to what games are currently, actively selling for? I would like to purchase a copy of Super Star Soldier for $30 and not a penny more. How do I avoid being an impulsive collectard and make this happen?

You purchase it from Black Tiger on this forum like I did recently: https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20685.msg469850#new

Of course, Black Tiger would have to have been willing to sell to you in the first place.

[KingofGames]

So I just need a time machine, huh? Besides that, what other tricks can I use?

[KingofGames]

Such a shame that the game is sealed. It should be played and enjoyed, even though it is an average game that no one really wants to play.

I have had the thrill of experiencing Darkwing Duck pogo around on my TurboExpress whilst playing my opened, second boxed Darkwing Dunk.

Ah, so you are one of them hoarders who doesn't want to allow others to experience the sheer joy of mediocre gameplay? I gotchu, I gotchu..

[esteban]

So I just need a time machine, huh? Besides that, what other tricks can I use?

Use your royal charm, comrade. 

You do realize that posting in the other threads, or starting your own, where you share thoughts on *playing* any game (at this point, I don't care if it is TG-16 related or not) will be much more productive, correct?



Seriously, we have been through this a million times in the last 15+ years...

[Gentlegamer]

So I just need a time machine, huh? Besides that, what other tricks can I use?

That was three weeks ago.

I don't think I'm going to spoon-feed you anything else if you can't figure it out on your own.

[NecroPhile]

I'm not dismissing all BINs as irrelevant either, just significantly undervalued ones.  They probably listed it on year / two year ago pricing and hadn't kept up with the market.  I know there's plenty of items I own where I see what they are selling now and can't believe it myself. 

It's only 'significantly undervalued' if you ignore the other copies that sold earlier this year for similar prices (in regular auctions no less).  Not everyone has such short memories or has bought in to eBay's limited history ploy.

How is it nonsense?

Learn to read.  I clearly stated why it's illogical and ignores other important factors.

I have a $100 offer that is unfilled demand, and if it appears on eBay again I'll be bidding.  I probably wouldn't bid exactly $100 because I'm cheap and like to get a good deal, but I'm sure I'd go $70/$80.  Now, perhaps once I obtain a copy, no one else is "dumb" enough to pay that and price would drop.  But until that happens I'm confident value is not as low as people would think.

Also, worth noting that box condition does play a factor.  You could argue that $125 is more of a Excellent to Mint price, maybe $60 is price with a totally trashed box and Very Good is somewhere in the middle.  Price does need to be taken with a grain of salt... though my initial comments are just stating that $125 on a Excellcent fully complete copy isn't ridiculous in the current market.

So it's totally worth $125... but you'll only pay $100....... and it's really worth just $70. 

What does this even mean? How are you immune to what games are currently, actively selling for?

Mostly patience.  If you're willing to wait for a better deal, the high water mark of one sale is not the sole determinant of value.

I would like to purchase a copy of Super Star Soldier for $30 and not a penny more. How do I avoid being an impulsive collectard and make this happen?

Buy the PCE version?

If you specifically mean the TG-16 version, you're twisting what others are saying and applying it to a bullshit scenario.  The prices being quoted for Impossamole are real auctions that've occurred within the last year, not some bogus number that hasn't been valid for years.

[KingofGames]

Patience? That is flat out wrong. Tell that to folks who waited on Little Samson, which used to be an $80 cart not too long ago.

What is bullshit about wanting Super Star Soldier? And why would I buy the PCE version? I don't have a JP system or an import converter. If I just want to play the game, I can download it on the Wii or illegally. I want a US HU-card that I can play on my NTSC TG-16 and I'd like to pay $30. Is this an unsolvable puzzle?

[Gentlegamer]

My Duo-R can play both Jp and US cards. It's like magic!

[KingofGames]

Good for you? How does that help my situation?

[bob]

Good for you? How does that help my situation?

a region mod would open you up to tons of cheaper, PCE versions of USA games and many more never even released here.  But i will warn you... PCE games didnt have boxes.

[NecroPhile]

KingofGames: You're not going to pull another multi-page off topic rant in this thread.  There will be no further warnings.

[KingofGames]

This topic has a point? Could've fooled me.

The region mod is a great solution, except I can play a decent amount of these games on the Wii for much less, or for free on my PC or through whatever other means of emulation I prefer. I still don't see how this has any impact on what US HU-cards are selling for.

[bob]

This topic has a point? Could've fooled me.

well it ain't no "Want to Buy..." thread

[NecroPhile]

Yep, it's not a WTB thread.  He was given an answer but wanted to argue and bitch about this thread's existence again, so he can take a two week vacation.

[Gentlegamer]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan, so I wanted to get a genuine copy of PCE Shinobi. I "set" my price at $40 for cic, but most offered on ebay were $60+shipping or more, including a sealed copy for $80 from dr. orangejuicer.

I waited (as in a couple months), and finally got it for $35+shipping from Japan.

If you're an actual collector, the hunt is supposed to be part of the fun, which includes patience and networking.

[LETMEINPLEASE]

What does this even mean? How are you immune to what games are currently, actively selling for?

Mostly patience.  If you're willing to wait for a better deal, the high water mark of one sale is not the sole determinant of value.

So true. If everyone wasnt so damn impatient to own it yesterday and speculated how much the prices would increase in the next 6 months then we wouldnt have soldier blade going from a $200 CIB to a $700 CIB in just a few months. (Im just using that as a example, numerous other could be quoted here) What happened to just saying nah, Im not going to pay that much? There is no apparent financial limit to some collectors causing massive and fast inflation of value. And that is called a bubble, And that bubble will pop eventually.

( cant get my reply out of the quote box - not sure how to fix  )

[GoldenWheels]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan, so I wanted to get a genuine copy of PCE Shinobi. I "set" my price at $40 for cic, but most offered on ebay were $60+shipping or more, including a sealed copy for $80 from dr. orangejuicer.

I waited (as in a couple months), and finally got it for $35+shipping from Japan.

If you're an actual collector, the hunt is supposed to be part of the fun, which includes patience and networking.

This, this, so much this.

I've paid right around 20$ or less for most of my PC Engine games (shooters, action games, not crap usually) , and the BIN prices are frequently $40+ for the same titles. I just wont pay that, they're not worth that to me. So I wait, and get to "hunt" which yeah, is actually just stalking ebay hard with buyer alerts etc. But it's super satisfying when you get your game at your price, and it adds in that delayed gratification that actually makes you look forward to playing the thing when it  arrives your mailbox. What fun would just be buying everything on a larf? None to me (though I guess I'd like to have that kind of money....)

On the flip side, I've also struck while the iron was hot and maybe overdid it, but felt it was worth it because the price was good. If anyone here was the guy on ebay selling awesome PCE shooters in TZD cases with no labels, for 20$ BINs right after Xmas last year, I'm the guy who bought a shit ton of them. I couldn't resist, and I'm still playing through them.

[CrackTiger]

Someone must've said something pretty idiotic to drag me back into this discussion (I can't afford to replace anymore popped veins in my forehead). Saying someone who buys a Turbo game CIB is not purchasing it to play the actual game is foolhardy. I just bought Jackie Chan CIB for way under ebay prices and you can damn sure bet that it's gonna get played. If you're allowing yourself to collect games as shelf trophies and nothing else in the end you're the one being played.

There are lots of random odds and ends that I've sought out or would like to get someday, but am in no rush. I'd like to get the cardboard box and map for Ys I & II for example, but still haven't gotten around to it after losing mine 20 years ago.

I pay high prices for certain games sometimes and appreciate the difference between complete, premium complete and actually complete (NEW). But I don't fool myself into believing that I need to match someone else's criteria, settle for less that truly complete or that an otherwise complete game for <$100 is worth $500 because of a small piece of packaging.

I may very well pay a premium to get one of those extra bits, but not because I feel the need to fix what I feel is incomplete, only because there is a reason that specific thing has meaning to me.

My view of what generally is a complete game is how I and other people I knew bitd viewed complete as at the time.

[LETMEINPLEASE]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan, so I wanted to get a genuine copy of PCE Shinobi. I "set" my price at $40 for cic, but most offered on ebay were $60+shipping or more, including a sealed copy for $80 from dr. orangejuicer.

I waited (as in a couple months), and finally got it for $35+shipping from Japan.

If you're an actual collector, the hunt is supposed to be part of the fun, which includes patience and networking.

This, this, so much this.

I've paid right around 20$ or less for most of my PC Engine games (shooters, action games, not crap usually) , and the BIN prices are frequently $40+ for the same titles. I just wont pay that, they're not worth that to me. So I wait, and get to "hunt" which yeah, is actually just stalking ebay hard with buyer alerts etc. But it's super satisfying when you get your game at your price, and it adds in that delayed gratification that actually makes you look forward to playing the thing when it  arrives your mailbox. What fun would just be buying everything on a larf? None to me (though I guess I'd like to have that kind of money....)

On the flip side, I've also struck while the iron was hot and maybe overdid it, but felt it was worth it because the price was good. If anyone here was the guy on ebay selling awesome PCE shooters in TZD cases with no labels, for 20$ BINs right after Xmas last year, I'm the guy who bought a shit ton of them. I couldn't resist, and I'm still playing through them.

Ditto. But this new rash of collectors doesn't seem to know how to do that. And its fucking prices all sorts of up.

Hey funny you mention that guy I also bought a few PCE games, a NIB Avenune 3 controller and JP Saturn Terra Cresta 3d from him too. He had a nice group of stuff and at good prices.

[Otaking]

If anyone has a factory sealed Alien Crush I can offer $69!

[ToyMachine78]

Too late... Galam offered me 2 cheeseburgers and a blowjob for my sealed alien crush.

[bob]

Too late... Galam offered me 2 cheeseburgers and a blowjob for my sealed alien crush.

uh, nope.  it was 2 cheeseburgers FOR a blowjob.
alien crush was never discussed.  i wouldnt need it, especially sealed.

[seieienbu]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan, so I wanted to get a genuine copy of PCE Shinobi. I "set" my price at $40 for cic, but most offered on ebay were $60+shipping or more, including a sealed copy for $80 from dr. orangejuicer.

I waited (as in a couple months), and finally got it for $35+shipping from Japan.

If you're an actual collector, the hunt is supposed to be part of the fun, which includes patience and networking.

I did a similar thing two years ago for Shockman.  I had played the ROM and thought it was great and decided to buy it for myself on my birthday but I set my price and ended up getting it about 6 months later for the price-point I wanted (iirc it was ~$60). 

If you have to play it now, emulator works well enough.  If you feel you need the real thing?  Rather than spending $100+ on the game when you don't believe it's worth that much just being patient pays off.

[NecroPhile]

$250 for a Bomberman in a K.C. case, no sleeve, a worn box, and TWO manuals!  Teh steal!!!

Click 'see other items' to check out a few sealed rarez for silly monies.

[BigusSchmuck]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan, so I wanted to get a genuine copy of PCE Shinobi. I "set" my price at $40 for cic, but most offered on ebay were $60+shipping or more, including a sealed copy for $80 from dr. orangejuicer.

I waited (as in a couple months), and finally got it for $35+shipping from Japan.

If you're an actual collector, the hunt is supposed to be part of the fun, which includes patience and networking.

+1
Stop making sense now. lol

[Mathius]

I was gonna post earlier this morning but then my internet went *insert annoying noise here* and by the time I got home from work I mostly forgot what I was going to say. I think it was after KingofGames' first "What does this even mean" statement to my earlier post. If I didn't make myself too clear the first time I'll summarize. There are crazy ass mofos like myself who will, now get this, buy a Turbo game in it's original box and actually play it. I'll Play it! HAHA, DAMN MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED!


...where's the Tylenol?

[ToyMachine78]

I am surprised how expensive some of the pce hucards are, like shinobi, and Nina garden.

[esteban]

I am surprised how expensive some of the pce hucards are, like shinobi, and Nina garden.

Especially because Nina Garden is a silly edutainment title that is aimed at 6-9 year olds.

[HailingTheThings]

Too late... Galam offered me 2 cheeseburgers and a blowjob for my sealed alien crush.

uh, nope.  it was 2 cheeseburgers FOR a blowjob.
alien crush was never discussed.  i wouldnt need it, especially sealed.

[deubeul]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan

Since I read your post 6 hours ago, I have first stage's music and shurikens' sound stuck in my head. Hoyaaah!!!

[Psycho Punch]

I am surprised how expensive some of the pce hucards are, like shinobi, and Nina garden.

Same here, but I got the SG-1000 version of Nina Garden so no need to buy another expensive game for teh pce:

[Gentlegamer]

Anecdote: I'm a Shinobi fan

Since I read your post 6 hours ago, I have first stage's music and shurikens' sound stuck in my head. Hoyaaah!!!

[ChuChu Flamingo]

So I just need a time machine, huh? Besides that, what other tricks can I use?

Use your royal charm, comrade. 

You do realize that posting in the other threads, or starting your own, where you share thoughts on *playing* any game (at this point, I don't care if it is TG-16 related or not) will be much more productive, correct?



Seriously, we have been through this a million times in the last 15+ years...

I wonder what the neo-geo.com version of that picture would be.

[esteban]

^^^ I am sure it would be an animated .gif !

[Psycho Punch]

So I just need a time machine, huh? Besides that, what other tricks can I use?

Use your royal charm, comrade. 

You do realize that posting in the other threads, or starting your own, where you share thoughts on *playing* any game (at this point, I don't care if it is TG-16 related or not) will be much more productive, correct?



Seriously, we have been through this a million times in the last 15+ years...

I wonder what the neo-geo.com version of that picture would be.

It would have some text overlayed on top of this picture:


 

[tbone3969]

Mystery Song for $150.  What a great deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mysterious-Song-RPG-Homebrew-for-Turbografx-CD-Brand-New-with-BONUS-PC-Engine/122080696352?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5393c259604a4dd399c60913cde0f169%26pid%3D100034%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D322253301164

[NecroPhile]

Mystery Song for $150.  What a great deal.

Seller's name checks out. 

[bob]

hasnt this MS been posted here enough?

[Psycho Punch]

Mystery Song for $150.  What a great deal.

Seller's name checks out. 

How many extra copies must be printed so this doesn't happen again? It wasn't too long since lots of copies were sold for cheap on ebay.
I'm starting to think that even if the game was wonder momo level overprinted people would still gouge and stupid people would still fall for it.

[NecroPhile]

In this case, it's the pre-order bonus items that're driving the gouger greed.  The only way to avoid it is to have just a single release type, where all copies (even if reprinted) are identical in every way.

Even then and no matter how many copies are made, someone will try to gouge for silly prices.  Look at the morons buying overpriced Dracula X booties, even though they can still be bought brand new from Tobias for less.

[jonebone]

No one posted the Magical chase card and manual?  I'm pretty sure he paid somewhere around $3500-$4000 for the combo, barely even 2 weeks ago.  This guy spends a lot of money fast (probably $25k+) then unwinds a lot of purchases and does it all over again.  Was into mostly Nintendo stuff, some Atari, some Sega, but now looks like some TG16 too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGICAL-CHASE-for-Turbografx-16-CARD-AND-MANUAL-ONLY-WOW-RARE-MINT-/262612857066

[tbone3969]

No one posted the Magical chase card and manual?  I'm pretty sure he paid somewhere around $3500-$4000 for the combo, barely even 2 weeks ago.  This guy spends a lot of money fast (probably $25k+) then unwinds a lot of purchases and does it all over again.  Was into mostly Nintendo stuff, some Atari, some Sega, but now looks like some TG16 too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGICAL-CHASE-for-Turbografx-16-CARD-AND-MANUAL-ONLY-WOW-RARE-MINT-/262612857066

He's in it to make money obviously.  Probably makes a good return on his investments too.  It's like people who buy old cars or houses on short sale then fix them up and flip em.  Although here there is no fixing up to be done.  Just wait and relist for more than double the price and hope someone offers well above what you paid.  It takes money to make money and obviously this guy has a good chunk of disposable income to play with.

[LostFlunky]

No one posted the Magical chase card and manual?  I'm pretty sure he paid somewhere around $3500-$4000 for the combo, barely even 2 weeks ago.  This guy spends a lot of money fast (probably $25k+) then unwinds a lot of purchases and does it all over again.  Was into mostly Nintendo stuff, some Atari, some Sega, but now looks like some TG16 too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGICAL-CHASE-for-Turbografx-16-CARD-AND-MANUAL-ONLY-WOW-RARE-MINT-/262612857066

...and this is why people around here treat collectards the way they do.  This is a perfect example of what has been going on for years with many different resellers.  They just keep inching the prices up and up  and up.  And the newb collectards just keep buying.