More Xbox 360/Turbo-related Info

[jlued686]

From this month's rumor section of GamePro:

"Of those of you that own an Xbox right now, how many use Live Arcade? Anyone? Bueller? Yeah, I thought so. You have to buy a hard-to-find disc to even accesss Live Arcade then you have to pay between $10 an $20 to play some rinky-dink game like Dig Dug. Yawn. That's all about to change, though: The Xbox 360 will have Live Arcade intergrated right into the box, and it willl pop right up on the home page dashboard; hit a button, and you're in like Flynn. You dont even need an Live account...or a credit card to browse, buy, and play freely. But will there be anything worth playing? We're breathless with anticipation. We got the inside scoop from Greg Canessa, group manager of Xbox Casual Games, who says that while the lineup has not officially been set in stone yet, there will be a wide variety of titles and styles, from quirky independents to big names to spiffed-up retro classics from consoles of a bygone era. The Atari 2600, TurboGrafx-16, Sega Saturn and even the Dreamcast were mentioned. Dare we dream? Next-gen Live Arcade sounds like the real thing."

[GUTS]

Awesome, sounds like Microsoft is getting ready to stomp the shit out of the Revolution's only selling point.  Fuck Nintendo, I hope the next generation cripples them so bad they're forced out of the console market.

[twor2005]

I hate to say this in a forum with so few posters, but go away.

[GUTS]

I for one can't wait for NBA Street 3 starring Mario!  Isn't Mario Baseball and Mario DDR coming out this month too?  Hell yeah!

[jlued686]

I didn't mean to spur a fanboy debate here.  I was just trying to point out something cool for the Turbo community.

[Keranu]

That's a nice idea X-Box 360 has going, but I'll pass of course. I was almost convinced to get the original X-Box mainly for the emulators and other nice computer stuff, but I figured that would be a retarded idea since I have a PC that can handle all the emulators X-Box can plus more and better. "But you get to play emulators on the TV!", well I can do that with my PC also, so it's nothing special for me. None of the games for X-Box interests me remotely anyways, so I'm pretty glad I decided not to buy one for now.

As for Nintendo, I certainly hope they still alive in the video game world, even if their stuff today is no where near as awesome as their 8-bit and 16-bit days, but they still make some decent games themselves. Seeing Nintendo go down would be a shame since they are one of the few companies that can still come up with an original idea or two, unlike these other companies out there that keep releasing the same crap to fit in with today's standards.

No I am not a Nintendo fanboy or a snerd, but without Nintendo, video games today may easily suck even more.

[NEC Avenue]

Nintendo is making bundles of cash so they aren't going anywhere. I'm looking forwared to Revolution. Heck the console itself looks friggen sweet.

[TurboHuC6280]

Nintendo is making bundles of cash so they aren't going anywhere. I'm looking forwared to Revolution. Heck the console itself looks friggen sweet.

I've been quite fond of my Gamecube, and have about 30 games for it.  Though they haven't had as many A+ titles this year, there are some nice things coming in a few months.

Not quite sure why anyone would want Nintendo to die.  They're actually the *last* game console company that is truly interested in only games, and they do it very well.  It's bizarre that anyone would actually want to watch one of the other Juggernauts pummel them into the ground...  As if Microsoft didn't have enough control over software and media already...  Do they really need more?  Asking for them to succeed is just asking for trouble.

I don't think Nintendo is going anywhere.  Though their profits are down a bit lately, they are the *only* of the three major console companies that is actually profiting on videogames.  It just goes to show that their first-party franchises are still loved by many, and there are still millions of gamers out there that want to see Nintendo survive.

I'm really looking forward to Revolution.  I think that Nintendo still has what it takes when it comes to videogame consoles, and they will truly revolutionize online gaming and content with this machine.

[GUTS]

Well I'll tone it down a notch, but how can you say nintendo is the last company that is interested in games?   They haven't even released 1 good GC this year, and they had what, 2 good games last year?  They cancelled the real Mario game for the GC to push it back to the Revolution, a game which tons of people like me were looking forward to after being ripped off by the horrible Mario Sunshine.  So that leaves Zelda as the only game coming out for GC that anybody can get excited about.

Sony and Microsoft on the other hand both pump out tons of games for all genres and are actually trying to keep their console owners happy instead of baiting them with promises and then never delivering like Nintendo.  I bought a GC back when they were $150 and it's possibly the worst major console I've ever owned (excluding the Jaguar obviously since it's the worst system of all time).  When the Mario and Zelda on a nintendo system suck, you know it's time for Nintendo to throw in the towel.

*I know some people enjoyed both of those games, but it's a fact that for the first time there were tons of people disappointed with a Mario and Zelda game, when in the past every real Mario and Zelda were nearly flawless games (not counting those non-nintendo developed Mario and Zelda games of course).

[Keranu]

What games do Sony and Microsoft push out themselves that rule exactly? Not talking about third party companies here.

[TurboHuC6280]

Well I'll tone it down a notch, but how can you say nintendo is the last company that is interested in games?

You didn't read what I said...  I said "only games".  Not televisions.  Not operating systems.  Not office software.  Not MP3 (sorry...  ATRAC) players.  Just games.

So what?  You didn't like your Gamecube.  I love mine.  What does that have to do with the right for Nintendo to have a successful business in games?  Sounds like you're just looking for a reason for them to fail.

We really don't need such troll posts in these forums.  All it does is piss people off, and it's totally off-topic (and in the wrong forum section for that matter).

[DragonmasterDan]

Sony and Microsoft on the other hand both pump out tons of games for all genres and are actually trying to keep their console owners happy instead of baiting them with promises and then never delivering like Nintendo.

Just curious, but what non-horrendous quality classic style RPGs are there for the Xbox? I don't see any , and Sorry Fable is neither great in my opinion and its a long way from a classic style RPG. Every system has its flaws, if the Game Cube didn't appeal to you that's your own opinion, a lot of people are/were very happy with the system and a lot of people are/were unhappy with the PS2 and Xbox for various reasons. Also just worth noting, since you mentioned Zelda wasn't well recieved on game cube, last I looked Zelda Wind Waker was a top twenty all time rated game on GameRankings.com http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/469050.asp. Just because a bunch of whiny image driven kids on message boards complained about cel shading being "fer teh kidz" certainly hasn't prevented it from being one of the best recieved games of this generation.

I could go on a list of failed promises for every system as well, and not just stuff that was discussed and not officially announced like another Mario game (Nintendo talked about Marionette but never announced it officially). If you're unhappy that's your opinion, but statements like that basically constitute trolling.

[RCduck7]

It's nice to have the Halo's, Granturismo's and Tomb Raiders but i like Nintendo's philosophy towards gaming.
A game like Zelda is an expeience for young and old, has substance and is so well executed that it is a masterpiece.
I was addicted to Metroid Prime to the end.
One of the most memorable games come from the Nintendo stable.
Today's casual gamers always tend to go for flashy cars, gore and rape, wich are mindless and forgettable throwaway fun.

So if it's true that the xbox will have the retrogames right from the box as stated above, it is great.
But from what i have experienced previously on the gamecube is that they delivered my retrofix on a more original way.
Like with animal crossing you can unlock retrogames that are part of the game, so it's more stimulating to play the game further.
I'm sure with the Revolution they will come up with more original ways that will make retrogames a part of the main game.
I allready have tons of retrogames and with emulation on pc most allready have that.
But to integrate them to the main game experience like some developers have done with Animal Crossing, Shenmue, Metroid Prime (with gba) and even with Demolition Racer :no exit is more fun.
Or they will come bundled with a game or be earned in some other ways through the net on the Revolution.

[GUTS]

You know what if this was a fucking NINTENDO msg board then I would have been trolling.  It's not.  It's my bad though for not realizing there are actually some nintendo fans amongst those who own a Duo, I had no idea a bunch of old schoolers who had lived through the N64 and Gamecube could still be Nintendo fans.  Hell I love old school Nintendo too, just not what they've become since the N64.

Had Nintendo actually pumped out some good games this generation then I'd be lining up with you guys to praise Nintendo, but the simple FACT is that Nintendo dropped the ball and that's why they're now #3 in the industry.  Its not because PS2 has GTA III or Xbox has Halo, it's because Nintendo failed to make good use of their franchises, instead opting to persue stupid ideas like "connectivity".  Look at the new Zelda coming out, it's exactly what fans wanted in the first place and it's going to sell like crazy, had Nintendo done that from the start they wouldn't have lost a huge portion of their casual fans.

And I didn't mean Microsoft and Sony themselves put out tons of great games, I meant they encourage third parties to populate their systems with great games, while it seems like Nintendo just doesn't care that Gamecube owners have 10 games a year to choose from.

[TurboHuC6280]

You know what if this was a fucking NINTENDO msg board then I would have been trolling.  It's not.  It's my bad though for not realizing there are actually some nintendo fans amongst those who own a Duo, I had no idea a bunch of old schoolers who had lived through the N64 and Gamecube could still be Nintendo fans.  Hell I love old school Nintendo too, just not what they've become since the N64.

Had Nintendo actually pumped out some good games this generation then I'd be lining up with you guys to praise Nintendo, but the simple FACT is that Nintendo dropped the ball and that's why they're now #3 in the industry.  Its not because PS2 has GTA III or Xbox has Halo, it's because Nintendo failed to make good use of their franchises, instead opting to persue stupid ideas like "connectivity".  Look at the new Zelda coming out, it's exactly what fans wanted in the first place and it's going to sell like crazy, had Nintendo done that from the start they wouldn't have lost a huge portion of their casual fans.

And I didn't mean Microsoft and Sony themselves put out tons of great games, I meant they encourage third parties to populate their systems with great games, while it seems like Nintendo just doesn't care that Gamecube owners have 10 games a year to choose from.

Last I checked, Nintendo still has a slight edge on worldwide console sales over Microsoft...  I wouldn't equate lower North American sales with being "#3 in the industry".  Not that it really matters, anyway.

But, whatever.  I'm sure that, no matter what anyone says, you'll still find a reason for being angry with Nintendo.  Making poor use of the networking capabilities of the console, screwing up Zelda, killing kittens...  It doesn't do any good to try to argue about it, so I'm not going to bother trying.

All I know is that I've got nearly 30 Gamecube games, and found that their selection of quality games has been very good on this console.  If you simply want *more* games, look no further than the PS2.

[OldRover]

You know what if this was a fucking NINTENDO msg board then I would have been trolling.  It's not.  It's my bad though for not realizing there are actually some nintendo fans amongst those who own a Duo, I had no idea a bunch of old schoolers who had lived through the N64 and Gamecube could still be Nintendo fans.  Hell I love old school Nintendo too, just not what they've become since the N64.

I share some of the same opinions with you on this one...although the company has always been the way they are right now. They were just better at hiding it before. Also, you're gonna find fanboys wherever you go, so...might as well get used to it.

Had Nintendo actually pumped out some good games this generation then I'd be lining up with you guys to praise Nintendo, but the simple FACT is that Nintendo dropped the ball and that's why they're now #3 in the industry.  Its not because PS2 has GTA III or Xbox has Halo, it's because Nintendo failed to make good use of their franchises, instead opting to persue stupid ideas like "connectivity".  Look at the new Zelda coming out, it's exactly what fans wanted in the first place and it's going to sell like crazy, had Nintendo done that from the start they wouldn't have lost a huge portion of their casual fans.

One of Nintendo's ideals seems to be to ride the waves of their initial success 20 years ago as long as possible. Unfortunately for them, those waves have been pretty quiet for the last few years and there's not much momentum left. There's always going to be a core fanbase for their products though, so it's not like they're going to disappear anytime soon.

And I didn't mean Microsoft and Sony themselves put out tons of great games, I meant they encourage third parties to populate their systems with great games, while it seems like Nintendo just doesn't care that Gamecube owners have 10 games a year to choose from.

This is a very valid point and I can address this from experience. Nintendo has no real interest in pursuing new third parties...those which they obtain are always through other companies. You can liken it to an "old boys club", which people often call it...even some third party developers call it that. They also don't encourage a whole lot of innovation...most of their own software does nothing more than bring the same franchises "back to life" over and over again. Of course, this brings them money, which is what they're in the business for, obviously (you have to be in it for the money or you'll sink fast and hard). The problem is that that's the only way they see to make money...rehashing old ideas for the kiddies. Sony saw an opening in some unfilled genres and acquired third parties to fill the voids, whereas Microsoft capitalized on the FPS craze and online gaming. Both companies were extremely successful and continue to be, even if we've all seen one too many first person shooters (BOOOOOOOOORING) and sequels to sequels to sequels. All this being said...all three companies are doing very well, but Nintendo is playing the catch-up game while Sony steals the market away from underneath them. Microsoft may do very well in the USA, but the Japanese could mostly care less about the Xbox. That might change with the next generation though.

Back on topic: this whole thing sounds like a good idea and I hope it comes to full fruition. Who knows? Maybe some indies from this scene will get some of their games in there.

[Keranu]

By no means did I think GUTS was trolling at all here, that's outta line. We need more different opinions anyways.

I disagree with your thoughts on why Nintendo is not big anymore, GUTS. I personally think the real reason why Nintendo is not as big as the other companies right now, well at least out here in America, is because most gamers want the more "mature" games and not the "kiddy" games. From my experiences, this is all I hear why people won't play Nintendo anymore. Teenage pricks these days just have to go for the gore, theft, and sex instead of the actual gameplay, which I think Nintendo these days can still manage to do every now and then.

I think Nintendo went down hill when the N64 hit as well, but personally I can't stand the other video game companies out there today, so Nintendo is one of the few that can actually make a new game that I can still remotely have fun with, even if it's not as gold as the 8-bit and 16-bit days.

[RCduck7]

I couldn't believe what GUTS just said there about the N64, it is soooooo of the mark from my opinion.
The N64 doesn't has the quantity from the days of the SNES but the quality.
First, when Mario 64 came out it revolutionised 3D platforming.
Then we got Zelda: The Ocarina of time, wich is for many the best in the series yet.
It still has the best James Bond FPS, Goldeneye.
Nintendo came from 2D and did the transition to 3D so well where others struggled.
Many magazines held a top 10, top 50 or 100 that asked readers to let them know what there favorite games of all time were.
Many included 2 N64 games in the top 5!
But of coursse IF you're the guy that like games with flashy cars, gore and rape, then you might not see what it takes to make a great game that is so well put together like the best on the N64.

[Keranu]

One thing I can easily give the N64 is it's 3-D adventures which were better than the other systems, actually. This is mainly because of Mario 64 (this is a prime example of what a 3-D adventure is supposed to be like) and Orcarina of Time. Although for the most part, I thought N64 was just a weak console; I think Gamecube is a little better.

[RCduck7]

One thing I can easily give the N64 is it's 3-D adventures which were better than the other systems, actually. This is mainly because of Mario 64 (this is a prime example of what a 3-D adventure is supposed to be like) and Orcarina of Time. Although for the most part, I thought N64 was just a weak console; I think Gamecube is a little better.

It's save to say that if the N64 was the only console you owned at that time it was a bit of a pain to try and fill the gaps between the really good titles as there weren't 100's as with the SNES.
But that's partly marketing, a different matter.

This discussion makes me think of the Dreamcast.
Dreamcast had also very good games, was way forward and had much potential but it was ignored and people believed the hype of the emotion engine and the multimedia capabilities of the PS2.
These capabilities were years after release only half and poor executed.
It was still worth having a ps2 but only 2 years after it's release.

[OldRover]

The N64 is a console I've never personally owned (although I've played games on one a number of times for the hell of it) simply because it had zero titles I wanted. Zero. I like a grand total of one game on the GameCube, and it's now considered a "classic" (that would be Pikmin). The DS has zero games I like, and the only reason I own a GBA is to play original Gameboy games (like Zelda 4). I don't own an Xbox and probably never will, except maybe to own Brute Force, which a former friend of mine worked on when he was employed by Microsoft. I may buy Nintendo's new console simply for the promise of retro gaming, and this might also be a reason to buy the Xbox 360. Obviously, the PS3 will have a home with me simply because of backwards compatibility. This next generation is going to be very cool for retro gaming.

[RCduck7]

Maybe this topic should be moved to the "general console chat"

[jlued686]

Hey, by the way, you might be able to play Turbografx games on your Xbox 360!  

Just trying to get us back on topic.

I hope stuff like this does happen, because it could potentially drive down the ridiculous prices of games on eBay.  Maybe...

[PC Gaijin]

Hey, by the way, you might be able to play Turbografx games on your Xbox 360!  

Just trying to get us back on topic.

I hope stuff like this does happen, because it could potentially drive down the ridiculous prices of games on eBay.  Maybe...

I actually think it could have the opposite effect: exposing more people to Turbografx-16 games who might have never played the system before, who then head out to ePay to collect the "real" versions of games they enjoyed playing on 360

I'm going to try to avoid the other discussion, other than this: saying all gamers are interested in nowadays is "sex, violence, and gore" is about as tired and cliched as "Nintendo is kiddy!"

[PCEngineHell]

Well,wow.I look at it like this,each system serves a purpose in its own right,and gives everyone soemthing they need from it,and if it doesnt,then o well,sell it,and get the one that does.This debate went on in the Genesis"blast processing" days where Nintendo and Sega fans where fighting it out,and the release of MK 1 didnt help it much either.But in th eend,both systems had so much to offer.Heck the same goes for the Jaguar,3DO,and many others,excluding the CD-I,as anyone with a comp or half assed dvd player can play V-cds.Note to Philips,we hate you.
I dont own a X-Box,but I agree it has some very nice games,and is the only console right now that can give a up to snuff gaming experience that rivals the PC graphic,res,frame rate,and sound wise.But the majority of stuff for PS2 and Game Cube is very original,and has great quality,and in the Gamecubes case,not available on any other platform,including pc.The Resident Evils,and Eternal Darkness,the Zelda games,the Metroids,Radient Silverguns sequle,only released in the US on Game Cube,Ikagura,and many others,just make the GameCube worth having around if you like those games.The same goes for PS2 and X-Box both in the end.They ALL have quality software out for them.There isnt any kind of fighting or bashing over it needed.Anyone wnating to bash,or argue,join Guru3d,and become Nvidia,3DFX,or ATI fanboys.Thats the place for a fight about who/what is better.Some of the most vicious gamers I have seen come from there.I dont even post there anymore.
For what its worth,the PC gaming world is way more extreme then the current console war going on.As you have ATI,Nvidia,VIA,SIS,Intel,AMD,Creative Labs,Realtec,C-Media,and many others trying to fight for your money,and the fanboys dont help it much either.That and the whole Half Life 2/Doom3 thing made me want to shoot myself.
God Im losing track here,anyway,console fighting doesnt belong here,this site isnt even for the consoles mettioned above.And I left places like Guru3d because of the whole"So and So is better then So and So" thing.
I believe it truely belongs left to the pc market,and the fanboys there.The ones who upgrade and switch sides every 6 months.
all the game systems out now offer great games,there is something for everyone on each of them. And a real gamer doesnt care much about which system is better,he only cares about the good games released on the platform,and owning them,playing them,and being happy.Infact,the most hardcore gamer would have all 3 systems,and be happy and unjudgemental of the 3,and find a use for all of them.
For the most part I will say this though,there are alot of gamers who are not into pc gaming,but want to enjoy the kind of games released for pc.So far,only the X-Box can do that kind of close quality.FPS game ports from the pc to PS2 suck,graphically,framerate wise,audio wise,load time wise,about in every which way.Not just FPS,but others too,that the X-Box can do better.So it covers that need for gamers pretty well.The PS2 takes care of the rest just fine,as there are games specifically made for its hardware that just rock.Same for the GameCube,with a little inbetween,as it is pretty close to X Box graphic wise,has good FPS games,along with other stuff that runs faster and sharper then PS2,like NFS Underground,and Sould Calibur 2.Basically,to each their own,if they dont liek all 3,then to each their own.

[RCduck7]

What i was trying to say about the sex, gore and violence is that you have the casual gamers that go for how the game looks, the style and what is cool.
And then you have the gamers or hardcore gamers that look beyond that and only bother with a game like that if it turns out to be a good game and not one like "been there done that".
Someone who bought BMX XXX is ...  
Some who bought Resident evil 4 is ...  

[RCduck7]

Hey, by the way, you might be able to play Turbografx games on your Xbox 360!  

Just trying to get us back on topic.

I hope stuff like this does happen, because it could potentially drive down the ridiculous prices of games on eBay.  Maybe...

Like to play that Dracula X and Sapphire straight from a console.
It's always nice to have the real thing though.

[GUTS]

Yeah but RE4 was about as "been there done that" as they come.  The control was exactly the same as the old RE games, the only difference was the camera behind the character.  I mean for god's sake, you could even side step, but the zombies could!  WTF is that?  

Anyway, I agree that the argument about today's gamers only wanting sex and gore is cliched and tired, there has always been the segment of gamers that are like that, they're just the trashy people of every race like nascar fans and people who wear jerseys and their pants around their knees.  Unfortunately now it seems like more and more of those people are getting into games as they become more mainstream, and thus the high sales of shit like GTA San Andreas and Tony Hawk Underground Wasteland Extreme 35.

[PCEngineHell]

I dont really enjoy the GTA games that much,its all the same.Tony Hawk,I could care less for.hes a late 30ies bionic robot who does the same thing over and over again,but hey,the kids love him,so who cares if the game play emulates the man himself.
The main reason why I liek the GameCube,Metroid Prime,takes the FPS,and actually brings new gameplay to the table for it,instead of being another Medal of Honor/Serious Sam clone.
The RE games.Not a bad one on the system.
Eternal Darkness.Does stuff RE doesnt.
There are others,like Product Number 3,stuff just not found anywhere else.
Makes the GameCube feel like the Dreamcast to me,very original and refreshing titles,if not a whole slew of them,then enough to warrent owning it.Enough to keep me happy with it.

[OldRover]

I must be a trashy gamer then, because I like (and also write) games with sex and gore.

*checks his wardrobe...hrm...no jerseys or baggy pants...hrm...no nascar on the television...hrm...*

     

[Keranu]

Sex and gore is awesome and all, but it's just that when that's the only good thing about a game is when it's out of hand.

[GUTS]

Yeah what Keranu said is what I meant.  Hell God of War is one of the best games I've pretty much ever played and it's packed to the hilt with sex and gore.

[NEC Avenue]

Anyone who has played RE4 yet still don't think it's a great game is stupid beyond belief. Side stepping? HTF is sidestepping going to help you in RE4? The only thing it helps is dodging weapons the enemies thow at you which don't happen all that much anyway. There are a lot of moves Capcom could've added to RE4, but at the end of the day you gotta draw the line somewhere. RE4 is almost close to perfect in all categories. If you want to criticize the control then find a valid argument. Making up BS to nitpick just makes you look stupid.

Oh and God of War looks like one of the most generic POS games I've ever seen. Cheezy@ss game to boot and bordering on stupid just like Ghost Hunter.

[RCduck7]

Sex and gore is awesome and all, but it's just that when that's the only good thing about a game is when it's out of hand.

That's what i meant.  

[jlued686]

Oh and God of War looks like one of the most generic POS games I've ever seen. Cheezy@ss game to boot and bordering on stupid just like Ghost Hunter.

You haven't played it.  When you do, then you can talk about it.

I recently finished it and it is one of the best games I've played this year.

[RCduck7]

Oh and God of War looks like one of the most generic POS games I've ever seen. Cheezy@ss game to boot and bordering on stupid just like Ghost Hunter.

You haven't played it.  When you do, then you can talk about it.

I recently finished it and it is one of the best games I've played this year.

Have to play this one sooner or later.

To get a bit back to this topic, if you can be bothered, emulation is possible on the xbox right now.
At one time i knew about a guy who was selling DVD's with a whole library of turbografx/PC engine games and other formats for the xbox (possible if your xbox is modified).
I e-mailed him for prices including shipping one day but he never answered back.
But what the heck, i guess it will still be possible on the next gen's, and maybe better.

[RCduck7]

Anyone who has played RE4 yet still don't think it's a great game is stupid beyond belief. Side stepping? HTF is sidestepping going to help you in RE4? The only thing it helps is dodging weapons the enemies thow at you which don't happen all that much anyway. There are a lot of moves Capcom could've added to RE4, but at the end of the day you gotta draw the line somewhere. RE4 is almost close to perfect in all categories. If you want to criticize the control then find a valid argument. Making up BS to nitpick just makes you look stupid.

It may be stupid in a game but it's like it is in real life.
In real life you can't just run around, strafe while aiming to shoot like in an fps.
To aim and shoot you always must come to a halt or progress slowly and shoot as you do in games like rainbow six.

[GUTS]

Anyone who has played RE4 yet still don't think it's a great game is stupid beyond belief. Side stepping? HTF is sidestepping going to help you in RE4? The only thing it helps is dodging weapons the enemies thow at you which don't happen all that much anyway. There are a lot of moves Capcom could've added to RE4, but at the end of the day you gotta draw the line somewhere. RE4 is almost close to perfect in all categories. If you want to criticize the control then find a valid argument. Making up BS to nitpick just makes you look stupid.

Oh and God of War looks like one of the most generic POS games I've ever seen. Cheezy@ss game to boot and bordering on stupid just like Ghost Hunter.

Are you fucking retarded?  I want to be able to WALK SIDEWAYS, and that's too much to ask?  Jesus dude, the guy is supposed to be a mother fucking special badass agent sent in to rescue the president's daughter and he CANT EVEN SIDESTEP A FUCKING ZOMBINE LUNGING AT HIM.   I'm not asking for a back flip into a commando roll, I'm asking for a simple SIDESTEP so that I don't have to hit the turn around button, run off a ways, then turn back around and start shooting again everytime I fight a zombie.

Combat SUCKS in RE4, period.  You have to come to a complete full stop to shoot, you can only move forward and backward, you can't shoot while moving (and don't give me any shit about not being able to do that in real life, anybody who would be in any type of special forces would be able to walk and shoot reasonably accurately in real life).

See you're exactly the type of Nintendo loving halfwit I'm talking about.  You've never even played God of War yet you rag on it for being generic while RE4 is the SAME hackneyed Zombie shit they've been recycling for the last 8 YEARS.  Had God of War been on the GC or made by Japanese people I'm sure you'd be slobbing all over it's knob.

[Keranu]

Resident Evil has always sucked anyways.

[RCduck7]

I think Res 4 is one of the most awesome games recently.
But off coursse, if this was everyone on the planet's cup of tea, life would be boring.
Does anyone here on the forum like Zelda or Metroid Prime?
Just trying to see if someone's here with the same tastes as mine.

For some the combat may suck in res 4 and i admit a slow sidestep should be possible but running around shooting stuff in open area's as you see in hollywood flicks is even more unrealistic and would make the game to easy and take away the tension if your attackers only carry a three-pronged fork.
The developers of res 4 aren't stupid and know if you take away one problem (not running while shooting) will create a bigger problem.
It isn't that easy you know, you should take a moment and think about that.
In Halo or Metroid you can run around while shooting wich is good and believeable as you play someone supernatural, a one man army, and the enemies attack more wich would be to difficult if you were standing still.

What i really hate is Metal Gear Solid 3 with it's restrained wayward camerera's and the rely on sensors to scan your suroundings.
I mean you can't see where your going and get dedected all the time.
I don't understand how people put up with it.
It must be the story and cinematics i think.

[Keranu]

Zelda: The Wind Waker (keep in mind that I have never finished the game) is really awesome when you first start a game, but I always bored of it quickly soon after. Still a nice game. I have never started a game in Metroid Prime, even though my little brother's have both of them, but I keep say I am going to, but fail to actually do so.

[RCduck7]

The only niggle i found for Metroid Prime was the backtracking.
But i didn't really care as it was quit an addictive game for me.
Got to play God of War someday.
Right now i'm playing Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness because i bought for only 10 euros.
Loved the previous games but this one is... well uh... bad.  
Also picked up manhunt (yes one of the most violent games ever!) cheap to see if it's any good as it got very mixed reviews.
Also got Out Run 2, this was a no-brainer.

This topic is getting a bit out of hand but it's becoming my favorite.
But please feel free to discuss turbo related stuff.

[GUTS]

Did you try Metroid Prime Echoes?  It seemed cool but the menu screen was really bad, I hated rotating the options around so much that I quit after a couple hours.  The D-pad was quicker, but confusing as it was too jumpy and you could'nt see the otions very well unless they were rotated.  I don't know why the hell they didn't just re-use Prime's menus, those worked fine.

[esteban]

METROID PRIME: I totally dug this game. I was really surprised --  I felt it captured the spirit of the original platformer (i.e. rolling around as a ball, exploring, using weapons / abilities intelligently) while infusing some new atmosphere and gameplay mechanics.  

MP is one of the few "modern" games that I've actually completed -- heck, it's one of the few modern games that I've stayed up all night playing.

So, I'm certainly no expert on contemporary games... but MP rocked.

[RCduck7]

Yes, it really did capture the spirit of the original, surprisingly as it was given to another developer.
It scored 9/10 in EDGE magazine and 10/10 in GamesTM, 2 of the most respected magazines here from the UK.
For me it beats Halo as a single player game.  
I didn't bought or played Echoes yet as it wasn't that long ago i finished Prime and i like a bit variation in between.
As for Zelda, i didn't play the windwaker yet but i finished all Zelda's except for the NES and the mediocre Philips CDI ones.
The mask and timetravelling thing from Majora's mask was a bit of a pain but underneath it was a really great game.
I think a lot of people gave up from the start and missed out.

[RCduck7]

For Metroid Prime i especially loved that part with the final boss and you have to make use of all your vizor and weapon combo capabilities to defeat him.

[NEC Avenue]

Anyone who has played RE4 yet still don't think it's a great game is stupid beyond belief. Side stepping? HTF is sidestepping going to help you in RE4? The only thing it helps is dodging weapons the enemies thow at you which don't happen all that much anyway. There are a lot of moves Capcom could've added to RE4, but at the end of the day you gotta draw the line somewhere. RE4 is almost close to perfect in all categories. If you want to criticize the control then find a valid argument. Making up BS to nitpick just makes you look stupid.

It may be stupid in a game but it's like it is in real life.
In real life you can't just run around, strafe while aiming to shoot like in an fps.
To aim and shoot you always must come to a halt or progress slowly and shoot as you do in games like rainbow six.

So what? You can do a lot of things in real life like spit on the enemies, take off your clothes and run around naked or even take a dump in the bathroom too doesn't mean it needs to be included in the game to make it good.  

I don't have to hit the turn around button, run off a ways, then turn back around and start shooting again everytime I fight a zombie.

Uh..you only have to turn around if you're lame at the game. BTW when a zombie lunges at you you can just shake them off, is this too complex for you?

This is RE man not some stupid@ass Quake. Strafing in a RE game is for stupidass dumbf*ks who can't adapt to different types of control schemes.

See you're exactly the type of Nintendo loving halfwit I'm talking about. You've never even played God of War yet you rag on it for being generic while RE4 is the SAME hackneyed Zombie shit they've been recycling for the last 8 YEARS. Had God of War been on the GC or made by Japanese people I'm sure you'd be slobbing all over it's knob.

Slapping a cheezy stupid@ss name onto a POS like God of War doesn't make it a new game...  

Same tired hack and slash sh*t that's been done for decades. Shiny graphics doesn't make it great either.

Did you try Metroid Prime Echoes? It seemed cool but the menu screen was really bad, I hated rotating the options around so much that I quit after a couple hours. The D-pad was quicker, but confusing as it was too jumpy and you could'nt see the otions very well unless they were rotated. I don't know why the hell they didn't just re-use Prime's menus, those worked fine.

And that right there folks is proof that when you start complaining about how the control scheme sucks because you cannot adapt, it means YOU suck at games.

[GUTS]

And that right there folks is proof that when you start complaining about how the control scheme sucks because you cannot adapt, it means YOU suck at games.

That right THERE is proof that you're mentally retarded, I wasn't complaining about the fucking control scheme, I was complaining about the stupid menu layout and how annoying it was.  And your comments about God of War are fucking stupid as hell, you love RE4 even though it's the same stupid cumbersome gay zombie shit that has barely evolved since the first Alone in the Dark, yet you criticize God of War when you haven't even played it.  Fucking retarded.

[NEC Avenue]

Same tired hack and slash sh*t that's been done for decades. Shiny graphics doesn't make it great either.    

[Emerald Rocker]

Do you realize that if I'm to take your words at face value, you just likened God of War to Golden Axe?

I don't really like your label, since games like Dynasty Warriors (which are TRUE hack-and-slashes) fit better.  So I'll call God of War a "3D hack-and-slash platformer".  In other words, if we're to use old-school examples, God of War is more similar to Castlevania: Bloodlines (hack-and-slash platformer) than to Golden Axe (hack-and-slash) or Sonic the Hedgehog (action platformer).

The 3D hack-and-slash platformer genre that you're tired of has actually come to surface only recently, born from the influence of games such as Sword of the Berserk on DC.  Some other big influences were Soul Reaver (for the soul power) and Maken X, which when re-worked into Maken Shao for PS2, contained a lot of elements that were lifted and put directly into Onimusha, which in turn heavily influenced Devil May Cry.

The games listed above are the founding fathers of the 3D hack and slash platformer, and most of them came out after Resident Evil: Code Veronica.  Also, several of them (such as Berserk and Onimusha) have clearly affected the genre's birth, but can't even be considered part of the genre themselves, as they don't incorporate the strong platforming element that games like God of War and Devil May Cry 3 are known for.

NOTE: The platforming aspects that games like DMC are known for is a significant shift in the genre from its early influences -- significant enough to redefine the genre -- and not just a new gimmick or shift in camera viewpoint.  Very important to make that clear.

So without even touching what either God of War or Resident Evil 4 contributed to their respective genres, it's ridiculous to compare the age/tiredness of God of War's genre to the age/tiredness of Resident Evil 4's genre.