Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots

[TheClash603]

Despite what the few previous posters said...  when do I get my Space Fantasy Zone?  Or did this project actually die?

[incrediblehark]

I would love to see a Dracula X English, and a Space Fantasy Zone (although I originally voted for dynastic hero) but most of all I want any translated game, especially the rpgs to be "reproed / boots made" high quality pressed with color inserts and al of that. I want to play the games but don't likle using cdrs in my systems. and any of these that hopefully (fingers crossed) gets released I will buy at least 1 copy of. Make it happen!

[LameKat]

+1 for the unreleased

[NecroPhile]

This project ain't dead; it proceeds exceedingly slow.  I'm hoping to have time this long weekend to work on some artwork (no complete scans of the CDR version have materialized), and I've had a couple offers for new tunes but nothing solid.

As for Dracula X - I'm not against doing it, but it ain't very high on my list.  I'm much more interested in doing unreleased titles and games that are actually difficult to play without Japanese language skills.

[Bernie]

So which game actually got the go-ahead?  I think I missed that post, and too lazy to go back and read it all over.  

[chany60126]

So which game actually got the go-ahead?  I think I missed that post, and too lazy to go back and read it all over.  

Space Fantasy Zone

The rom only has two songs, so we need more tunes similar to the existing tracks. If you have any ideas, post them here: https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10180.0

[Mishran]

I still want to see Space Fantasy Zone get the first run. It's the only one that hasn't gotten an official release. I'd even be happy with a pressing with the castrated tracks. Decent tunage is nice, but the gameplay is the single most important part of a game in my eyes.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I've offered to play around with the Super Fantasy Zone tracks, try to make them a lil' more rich sounding beyond the original FM, & I believe Arkhan offered to do stuff for this as well.  I know I personally have been too busy to get started,partially because I'm getting way behind on my own personal Frozen Utopia schedule in regards to making tunes for Jungle Bros. Arkhan's been busy with school, though I think he has winter vacaction coming up, but he's probably got stuff to do for his Retrocade, so, it's hard to say when either of us can get around to it.  I wish there was some more music makers on here, that maybe had more time then Ark or I to help get this ball rolling.

[jlued686]

Hey Guys, I may be able to help with the music end of this stuff. My friends and I own a recording studio and have assloads of equipment. However, I'm not sure exactly what the tone of this game is music-wise, what format you'd need the songs in, song length, the number of tracks, etc. We'd need to hear the existing songs so we could match them up as best we can. If you could send me specifics, I could work on some stuff with my friends and send over some samples. We're pretty busy now working on some other projects, but I've got a feeling this could be a fairly quick project depending on what you'd need.

EDIT: Just watched a bit of gameplay footage to hear the music. I'm sure we could do something that matches up. My only concern in doing this is I wouldn't want people to play it and even notice that the tracks are new. Fortunately, we've got some synths, and plenty of sound banks we can go through to find something as true to the original stuff as we can. Maybe homage some other Fantasy Zone games, etc.

If you guys are interested, let me know and we'll try to get something going.

[NecroPhile]

So you can hear what's already there, I can send you a link to the complete game (iso/cue/wav), or I can upload just the tunes somewhere.  Format should be wav and the song length kinda depends - the two truncated songs should probably be the same length as the existing tunes (something like eight seconds), but the other songs aren't set in stone; they should be in the same neighborhood though, so they don't loop repeatedly or the level ends long before the music does.  They should have a similar feel to the existing tracks, and at the bare minimum I'd like the two short truncated songs replaced and one additional song to alternate with the existing tune (one for odd levels, one for even); ideally, I'd like a separate song for each level.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I can halp with music... but whats the deadline here?  I'd most likely be waiting until mid december to make something.

[jlued686]

So you can hear what's already there, I can send you a link to the complete game (iso/cue/wav), or I can upload just the tunes somewhere.  Format should be wav and the song length kinda depends - the two truncated songs should probably be the same length as the existing tunes (something like eight seconds), but the other songs aren't set in stone; they should be in the same neighborhood though, so they don't loop repeatedly or the level ends long before the music does.  They should have a similar feel to the existing tracks, and at the bare minimum I'd like the two short truncated songs replaced and one additional song to alternate with the existing tune (one for odd levels, one for even); ideally, I'd like a separate song for each level.

Okay, so in an ideal situation you'd need what, six songs? But at minimum, two? Am I reading that correctly?

I'm meeting with those guys tonight and I'll talk it over to see what we can do.

[sirhcman]

This project ain't dead; it proceeds exceedingly slow.  I'm hoping to have time this long weekend to work on some artwork (no complete scans of the CDR version have materialized), and I've had a couple offers for new tunes but nothing solid.

As for Dracula X - I'm not against doing it, but it ain't very high on my list.  I'm much more interested in doing unreleased titles and games that are actually difficult to play without Japanese language skills.

Thank you for doing this..  I will definitely purchase a copy

[NecroPhile]

Okay, so in an ideal situation you'd need what, six songs? But at minimum, two?

Minimum is one 'real' song and two shorties that need the last couple seconds filled/completed.  In an ideal world we'd need the two short tracks fixed, seven new stage songs (there's eight stages sharing one track and the ninth stage already has a unique tune), plus two new songs to play on the intro. and title screens if Tom can figure out how to make 'em play.  I actually have an idea for the title screen, though, so that one might be taken care of.

[jlued686]

Okay, what's a good length for the stage songs? I just wanna have a good idea of what we need when I meet with my friends tonight. But I talked briefly to both of them today and they both seemed like we could take care of it pretty quickly. Do you have a due date?

[NecroPhile]

The two truncated songs are six and eight seconds long, the one normal stage tune is 3:18 in length, and the two boss songs are 3:14 and 2:55 in length.  PM forthcoming and you can hear 'em for yourself.

[jlued686]

Cool. Thanks for the info. I'll get back to you ASAP.

[mrhaboobi]

I'd be interested in Unreleased games where the roms are plastered over the net, not keen on seeing roms of proper normally released games though.. seems like you are really walking a very thin line here with the legality of this..  At the same time though i wonder how those guys who own the unreleased roms feel about this ;)

[nat]

The two truncated songs are six and eight seconds long, the one normal stage tune is 3:18 in length, and the two boss songs are 3:14 and 2:55 in length.  PM forthcoming and you can hear 'em for yourself.

Unless I've been hearing things all this time, there are two stage tunes that alternate every few levels. They sound almost the same, but are different.

[T2KFreeker]

I really hate to ask this, but I have been out of the loop for a bit, as most of you know. So, what exactly is Space Fantasy Zone? I'd get it at this point to help support the release, but I would love to see what the game is. I suppose I could try Youtube . . .

Okay, so after seeing this, it looks like a cross between "Fantasy Zone" and "Space Harrier". This is cool. Here's a strange question though. To give it that feel, why not use music tracks from Fantasy Zone and Space Harrier in the game? That would probably bo cool and give you that nostalgic feel? Either way, when this sucker is done, I am all over it. Also, if you need some artwork, let me know what you need. I can't really do color stuff, but I draw and can do Black and White if you can do colors yourself.

Actually, I have a couple tracks on my PC that would be good for the game. One would be excellent remixed if someone could do it from Super Fantasy Zone and I have a pretty good Space Harrier Remix too . . .

[ParanoiaDragon]

Using tracks from the Fantasy Zone games, or making lighthearted Space Harrier songs is the plan, but no just straight rips of those songs from the Hucard, arcade, etc.  Preferably they'd have to be some kind of spruced up versions, with more of a redbook audio sound that matches up with the tracks already there.

[nat]

I really hate to ask this, but I have been out of the loop for a bit, as most of you know. So, what exactly is Space Fantasy Zone? I'd get it at this point to help support the release, but I would love to see what the game is. I suppose I could try Youtube . . .

Okay, so after seeing this, it looks like a cross between "Fantasy Zone" and "Space Harrier". This is cool. Here's a strange question though. To give it that feel, why not use music tracks from Fantasy Zone and Space Harrier in the game? That would probably bo cool and give you that nostalgic feel? Either way, when this sucker is done, I am all over it. Also, if you need some artwork, let me know what you need. I can't really do color stuff, but I draw and can do Black and White if you can do colors yourself.

Actually, I have a couple tracks on my PC that would be good for the game. One would be excellent remixed if someone could do it from Super Fantasy Zone and I have a pretty good Space Harrier Remix too . . .

You can read my review of the game here.

Also, apparently many of the newcomers don't know, but there is already a fan-packaged version of the game available here. It really is a nice, professional package with the major caveat being that the game is on CD-R, not pressed.

I think the idea is to re-use the "original" artwork.

[T2KFreeker]

I really hate to ask this, but I have been out of the loop for a bit, as most of you know. So, what exactly is Space Fantasy Zone? I'd get it at this point to help support the release, but I would love to see what the game is. I suppose I could try Youtube . . .

Okay, so after seeing this, it looks like a cross between "Fantasy Zone" and "Space Harrier". This is cool. Here's a strange question though. To give it that feel, why not use music tracks from Fantasy Zone and Space Harrier in the game? That would probably bo cool and give you that nostalgic feel? Either way, when this sucker is done, I am all over it. Also, if you need some artwork, let me know what you need. I can't really do color stuff, but I draw and can do Black and White if you can do colors yourself.

Actually, I have a couple tracks on my PC that would be good for the game. One would be excellent remixed if someone could do it from Super Fantasy Zone and I have a pretty good Space Harrier Remix too . . .

You can read my review of the game here.

Also, apparently many of the newcomers don't know, but there is already a fan-packaged version of the game available here. It really is a nice, professional package with the major caveat being that the game is on CD-R, not pressed.

I think the idea is to re-use the "original" artwork.

Problem is that some of us can't play CD-R games. I came across a Golden Axe I have on CD-R. I have no clue where it came from, but when I put it into my Turbo CD system, it just hangs there after the FMV sequences. Not sure why, and really not concerned as I really would rather have pressed discs anyway as they are better quality usually and it's just the way I am. I'd buy this just from the video even as I'm a huge Space Harrier fan.

[Sparky]

i always wonder why some people do not like the thought of these projects... (not just picking on you mrhoobs) legal or not put aside, what is the big deal? people can finally get something physical to play in there systems for next to nothing... should you have to pay to play?.. pffffft

<<this is a paid ad for F-ebay>>

[incrediblehark]

I wanted to get one of those fan-packaged copies of the game, it really deos look nice and professional, but I think if you guys finish this release of the game it can be much better! And I don't think there is any problem with making these boots / "repros" as long as there is no profit to be had from them. I assume we will be basically paying cost for the games.

[TheClash603]

i always wonder why some people do not like the thought of these projects... (not just picking on you mrhoobs) legal or not put aside, what is the big deal? people can finally get something physical to play in there systems for next to nothing... should you have to pay to play?.. pffffft

<<this is a paid ad for F-ebay>>

I can't imagine anyone would object to a game that was never officially released getting a pressed run.  That's why Space Fantasy Zone is a perfect first game for this project.

...not that I'd complain about any releases at all.

[nat]

I didn't mean to imply that the previous run of SFZ should preempt the proposed new run. Those were CD-Rs; these would be pressed discs. The superiority of pressed discs is obvious.

I just wanted to make people aware that SFZ has been available in a nice package for quite some time. The way people were talking about having to draw artwork, etc, it seemed like some folks weren't aware the thing even existed.

As far as music goes, has anyone considered utilizing tracks from the other Fantasy Zone games, like Fantasy Zone 2 (System 16 version) and Super Fantasy Zone?

[mrhaboobi]

i always wonder why some people do not like the thought of these projects... (not just picking on you mrhoobs) legal or not put aside, what is the big deal? people can finally get something physical to play in there systems for next to nothing... should you have to pay to play?.. pffffft

<<this is a paid ad for F-ebay>>

My only issues is with the released stuff, not unreleased.    Just a personal preference, seems wrong, when do you stop, should you copy DVD or VHS or whatever ?? i dunno just my preference to not buy "pirates".  Also ive been burnt with pirates previous, so i guess im super cautious now.  Sapphire comes to mind ( i was lucky i didnt get burnt by that ).. What i find funny is hardcore games collectors i know who HATE pirates, but if its a music CD then its fine for them to buy booties.. i dont understand that

[SignOfZeta]

BTW, when making the artwork for this...there is a high quality scan from a Satoshi Urushihara art book you could use. It doesn't have the logo, but its a lot less compressed and grainy that other stuff I've seen.


https://thestucked.wordpress.com/category/anime-artists/satoshi-urushihara/

[Bernie]

BTW, when making the artwork for this...there is a high quality scan from a Satoshi Urushihara art book you could use. It doesn't have the logo, but its a lot less compressed and grainy that other stuff I've seen.

That is most certainly the best pic I have seen of the artwork.  A little photoshop could get the logos in place.

[spenoza]

BTW, when making the artwork for this...there is a high quality scan from a Satoshi Urushihara art book you could use. It doesn't have the logo, but its a lot less compressed and grainy that other stuff I've seen.

That can't be Urushihara! Her breasts aren't the size of zepplins!  ; )

[NecroPhile]

Unless I've been hearing things all this time, there are two stage tunes that alternate every few levels. They sound almost the same, but are different.

Yep - I figured track 3 (used in stages 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8 ) and track 8 (used in stages 3 and 6) were close enough to being the same song to not be worth mentioning.

Using tracks from the Fantasy Zone games, or making lighthearted Space Harrier songs is the plan, but no just straight rips of those songs from the Hucard, arcade, etc.  Preferably they'd have to be some kind of spruced up versions, with more of a redbook audio sound that matches up with the tracks already there.

Exactly.  We could snag tunes from Super Fantasy Zone or something, but they'd stick out like a sore thumb against the existing tracks.

My only issues is with the released stuff, not unreleased.    Just a personal preference, seems wrong, when do you stop, should you copy DVD or VHS or whatever ??

Released or unreleased in irrelevant; Sega still owns the Space Harrier and Fantasy Zone franchises and Interchannel (NEC Avenue) still owns the game code, so it's still technically wrong to make copies.  Here's why copying these games won't cause me any sleepless nights - they're all old, out of print, commercially unavailable, and being sold at cost (more likely a loss), so the original rights owners aren't being financially hurt in any way.

BTW, when making the artwork for this...there is a high quality scan from a Satoshi Urushihara art book you could use. It doesn't have the logo, but its a lot less compressed and grainy that other stuff I've seen.

I think that's the same pic I was working with, but thanks for posting it up.

[SignOfZeta]

BTW, when making the artwork for this...there is a high quality scan from a Satoshi Urushihara art book you could use. It doesn't have the logo, but its a lot less compressed and grainy that other stuff I've seen.

That can't be Urushihara! Her breasts aren't the size of zepplins!  ; )

You must be thinking of a different guy.

[spenoza]

You must be thinking of a different guy.

OK, so that was an exaggeration, but Urushihara is well-known for hentai imagery featuring sizeable, shiny (almost plastic-looking) breasts.

[SignOfZeta]

He's obsessed with boobs. There is no question there. As far as I've seen though he has no size preference at all. He draws them in all sizes.

[jlued686]

Alright, NecroPhile, first sample track sent. Check your PMs.

[BenG76]

I am down for your release here. Also would love to snag any translated RPG in the future. Cant wait to see the finished product.

[Retrocool]

i can neither say yes or no to buying the games.  not necessarily the games listed (except maybe Might & Magic III)

 I definitely would love to see some translation of some games like Macross 2036, Macross: Eternal LoveSong and Snatcher + Pilot Disk...

But this is just me.... .

[jayamine]

No, I did not read all 13 pages of this thread, so please feel free to cut me down and tell me how all of this has already been said 100 times.

Considering there are only 500 each of most of those games in existence minus however many have been lost over the decades (in English), I think an unofficial second print would be great. Run them on a press. Make them indistinguishable except for a clear and unmoveable "SECOND PRINT" notation  on the disc and in the instructions.

According to Steve Garwood, the rarest ones (500 or less) are Might & Magic 3, Godzilla, Super Air Zonk, Bonk 3 CD, Dynastic Hero, Cotton, and Beyond Shadowgate. (I imagine Exile II and Dungeon Explorer II follow close behind ... but then Ex2 might be tricky because of the sleeve)

Pick one title. Do between 300-500 copies. Sell them at a slight profit to cover other expenses that might occur. (Also the excess cash could be used to fund the second game while the first one is still selling.) No one gets paid except for people who provide graphic design, programming, and other services (English translation and manual perhaps for SFZ). All the excess money stays in an account for the next project, etc.

My credit decent and available. If you guys are serious about that sort of thing, I'd be willing to bank roll a decent sum up front.

I like the idea of starting with an English project version of Space Fantasy Zone or a reprint of Dynastic. Might and Magic 3 and Shadowgate might be a tad more expensive because of the enclosed map/posters and larger jewel cases.

Another thing, I doubt NEC or Hudson or even Konami is going to notice or even care about 300+ copies of a 20 year old obsolete medium. And if they do ... the worst they can do is issue a cease and desist and confiscate existing stock and remaining finances. I'm willing to take the chance.

Ok, so go ahead and tear my post to shreds.

[Bernie]

lol.  Im not gonna tear your post to shreds.  I actually like it.  I think with NecroPhile handling Space Fantasy Zone, and me possibly doing something, if someone else like you chose yet another one to do, it would be awesome.  Have you considered the english translations of Xak III, Ys IV, or Startling Odyssey II?

[jayamine]

There's a Startling Odyssey II patch???? Gimme!

[Bernie]

If someone hasn't hooked you up by tonight, I will get it to you.    PM me so I dont forget.

[jayamine]

Ys IV Might be tricky since Falcom is now doing an in-house remake for the PS Vita (Ys IV: The Forest of Selceta). I'm sure Xseed will snatch it up. Could draw more attention than we want. And really, with 300 copies, how much attention do we need?

[MotherGunner]

Why SFZ first?  I'd imagine people would actually want to play a GOOD game like Dynastic Hero or Even Dracula X first.

[Bernie]

Why SFZ first?  I'd imagine people would actually want to play a GOOD game like Dynastic Hero or Even Dracula X first.

I believe it got the most votes in the poll.  Since it was never officially released and all.

[MotherGunner]

Yea but Fudoh had some copies out there right?  I mean maybe it's just me since I don't really enjoy games with Space Harrier style controls (except for Afterburner).  I mean if the effort is going in behind a quality reprint might as well do it for a quality game IMHO.  *shrugs*

[Bernie]

Yeah, but majority rules I guess. I will buy it, or a couple.  Cuz I want more to come from it.    So you should too! 

[MotherGunner]

For sure I would! =)   ..and quick!  more votes on DH!

[jayamine]

Dynastic would be fine. But I need to know who'd seriously want to work on this before I throw a thousand dollars plus around. I have an original Dynastic. I could practically do that one by myself. Just need to find a press that could replicate the booklet and disc art.

[Bernie]

If you divide the cost up by the amount of discs made, I am sure you will find it easy to get rid of the pressed games right here in the forums.    I for one would buy a couple.