Which announced but unreleased Turbo game are you most disappointed about?

JoshTurboTrollX · 09/22/2011, 07:10 AM

wow PD, that looks amazing!! I've never heard of Riftwar Saga till this moment.

DragonmasterDan · 09/22/2011, 08:28 AM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 09/22/2011, 07:10 AMwow PD, that looks amazing!! I've never heard of Riftwar Saga till this moment.

BTW, I found a few other games TTI showed off at CES's. These include Snatcher (yes, I'm serious), Image Fight II, I also found very brief video of King of the Monsters 2 and World Heroes along with some others. I may put up pictures in a little bit.

DragonmasterDan · 09/22/2011, 08:46 AM

Here's some pictures from a CES of some unreleased games or banners for unreleased games.

NecroPhile · 09/22/2011, 09:52 AM

Quote from: henrycsc on 09/21/2011, 10:30 PMOnce we got Terraforming, my friend and I just looked at each other and asked "how did they pick this game?"

I think they were banking on Syd Mead's name to help to sell the game. Didn't work.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/22/2011, 10:26 AM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 09/22/2011, 09:52 AM
Quote from: henrycsc on 09/21/2011, 10:30 PMOnce we got Terraforming, my friend and I just looked at each other and asked "how did they pick this game?"
I think they were banking on Syd Mead's name to help to sell the game. Didn't work.

the flaw in that plan is Syd Mead fans didn't buy the Turbob because it wasn't called Syd Mead's Turbob Grafx-16

jlued686 · 09/22/2011, 11:20 AM

Ah yes, I remember seeing stuff for Ranma 1/2 and Snatcher. It was Snatcher that really got me excited back in the day. Years later, I eventually got it on the Sega CD, weeping for my poor Turbo Duo and that it missed out on such a great game.

That last batch of announced-but-unreleased games was really great. Thanks for the post, Dan.

DragonmasterDan · 09/22/2011, 12:28 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/22/2011, 11:20 AMAh yes, I remember seeing stuff for Ranma 1/2 and Snatcher. It was Snatcher that really got me excited back in the day. Years later, I eventually got it on the Sega CD, weeping for my poor Turbo Duo and that it missed out on such a great game.

That last batch of announced-but-unreleased games was really great. Thanks for the post, Dan.

No problem, I figured photo evidence of some of these would be useful. For World Heroes and King of the Monsters 2, all I had were title screens.

Senshi · 09/22/2011, 01:27 PM

Was dracula X announced or just not thought about?

Mathius · 09/22/2011, 02:05 PM

Quote from: Senshi on 09/22/2011, 01:27 PMWas dracula X announced or just not thought about?

I doubt it was even considered due to the Turbo being on life support at that time.

DragonmasterDan · 09/22/2011, 03:07 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 09/22/2011, 02:05 PMI doubt it was even considered due to the Turbo being on life support at that time.

It looks like TTI licensed two games from Konami that never got released. One of the Gradius games, and Snatcher. Neither of which saw the light of day. Dracula X came out almost a year after all those games I showed you below were shown off by TTI. TTI had enough trouble releasing games they had the rights to before they could worry about ones they didn't.

MotherGunner · 09/22/2011, 03:36 PM

Doesn't really count, but: Mortal Kombat.

ParanoiaDragon · 09/23/2011, 02:13 AM

I was told by Eun Lopez(the secretary at TTI during it's demise) that Macross 2036 was basically done(though, I know not what the final name of the game was, maybe kept it as Macross, can't imagine them getting the Robotech name!), but there were a few glitches near the end, or atleast, that's what my memory tells me. It'd be nice to find that "almost" finished version someday, if it really exists.

SMF · 09/23/2011, 04:11 AM

Quote from: MotherGunner on 09/22/2011, 03:36 PMDoesn't really count, but: Mortal Kombat.

Funny story about MK for TG, I read that it was offered to NEC first as a exclusive but they turned it down. Wonder how many people would have picked a TG16 up if it was only available on the TG16?

DragonmasterDan · 09/23/2011, 07:23 AM

Quote from: SMF on 09/23/2011, 04:11 AMFunny story about MK for TG, I read that it was offered to NEC first as a exclusive but they turned it down. Wonder how many people would have picked a TG16 up if it was only available on the TG16?

While it was a big arcade game, it really took off with its home release in the US. It certainly wouldn't have been anywhere near as possible had it been console exclusive.

ParanoiaDragon · 09/23/2011, 07:21 PM

Dan, did you ever see Riftwar Saga an any CES's? That's one game I'd love to have more info on.

DragonmasterDan · 09/23/2011, 10:33 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 09/23/2011, 07:21 PMDan, did you ever see Riftwar Saga an any CES's? That's one game I'd love to have more info on.

I don't recall seeing it. Those screens BTW are from a video of the CES's I found. However, I did attend both the 1992 and 1993 Summer CES when TTI was in attendance. I remember a baseball game (not TV sports baseball) that never got released being shown off and demo'ed on a core grafx. I also asked a TTI rep about Street Fighter II Champion Edition, to which they said "we're working on it".

ParanoiaDragon · 09/23/2011, 11:15 PM

Bummer, I can't even find any info on "Kid's Source", who were they, where were they based, where are they now?

henrycsc · 09/24/2011, 12:51 AM

Quote from: Senshi on 09/22/2011, 01:27 PMWas dracula X announced or just not thought about?

It was considered to the point that it is mentioned (as a response to a letter) in the last issue of Duo World. TTI certainly would have considered it - as a pipe dream maybe, but there is no way that it wouldn't have been at least talked about.

As well, add Street Fighter 2 since TTI did at least make an attempt to get licensing for the game. That one certainly would have turned heads here in the US.

Dan, this is the first time that I have seen the screenshots of the CES demos. It brings tears to my eyes. So close, so close.

SignOfZeta · 09/24/2011, 01:29 AM

WTF is Bonk RPG? Was any actual work done on this or is the leading result in this poll based on half a sentence some dude from TTI might have said once?

I voted for CF3 since it a) actually exists b) is decent c) is very hard to play for most Americans in Japanese and d) was advertised on a sign in a town in CF2.

If CF3 was actually released in the US people would still be fawning over it. Shit, a lot of people absolutely worship CF 2 and that game is basically, cut scenes aside, crap on a cracker.

I wanted 2036 really bad back in the day, but now that it can be had for $30 its not that big of a deal for me. The voice acting hasn't been replaced with horrifically bad lines read by janitors and/or people who have had their heads ran over by a bus (see: Final Zone 2) but IMO that's a good thing.

BTW, Macross: Eternal Love Song was also announced but isn't on this poll. That one actually would benefit from translation.

ParanoiaDragon · 09/24/2011, 03:18 AM

I've seen two completely different sets of pics for Bonk's Quest. Actually, there were 2 EGM's one right after the other that each had a Bonk game. The first one was showing off what they called Bonk 3: Panic Cyborg, the next EGM had what they called at the time Bonk 4: The Role Playing Game, or something to that effect. It has completely different pics of a Bonk RPG then what you'll normally find on the net. Frankly, it doesn't look that great compared to the pics that are easier to find. I recall being kinda bummed BITD, because the other set of pics appeared in mags before these crummy looking ones.

I still have that EGM somewhere, I don't think I ever took any pics of it, eventually if someone can't find the other set, I'll start digging around for that mag & take pics of them. Oh & EGM even included Bonk 4 in some kind of contest where you could win it....obviously no one won it

Found pics:

http://turbo.mindrec.com/unreleased/bonk4/

Most of the pics there are ones that I believe are the real deal, however, the overworld shot in the upper right& the 2 at the very bottom I believe are fake, & were actually pictures of from a Genjin comic that ended up inspiring them to make a real RPG for him!

Oh, & I have a flyer from TTI advertising it as Bonk's Quest. I believe that was the last name they had for it, before it got canned.

Here's some more pics, once again, not sure what's fake & what's real
http://bonkzonk.com/game.ktn?Game=rpcg

http://www.pcengine.co.uk/Images-Artwork/ART-RPC_Genjin_Preview.JPG

SignOfZeta · 09/24/2011, 04:12 AM

Dang, that would have been cool, probably very Momotaro-esque, most likely.

geise · 09/24/2011, 09:17 AM

Hmmm...RPG Genjin. I bet Thibaut has that.

Seriously though, that game looked like it would have been really good. It's a shame it never happened like quite a few others on the pc-engine/turbo.

Thanks for sharing the pics ParanoiaDragon. I vaguely remember seeing these long ago.

DragonmasterDan · 09/24/2011, 09:23 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 09/24/2011, 01:29 AMWTF is Bonk RPG? Was any actual work done on this or is the leading result in this poll based on half a sentence some dude from TTI might have said once?

Yeah, it was definitely a real project.

QuoteI voted for CF3 since it a) actually exists b) is decent c) is very hard to play for most Americans in Japanese and d) was advertised on a sign in a town in CF2.

If CF3 was actually released in the US people would still be fawning over it. Shit, a lot of people absolutely worship CF 2 and that game is basically, cut scenes aside, crap on a cracker.

Some work was done on the US translation by Working Designs, they had it on display at both the 1993 Winter and Summer CES.

Also, CF2 had a decent story, good characterizations and nice music and atmosphere. It was better than a lot of 16-bit RPGs.

Dyna138 · 09/26/2011, 08:30 PM

I would have loved to see a Bonk RPG for 2 reasons, I love Bonk and there aren't nearly enough Turbo RPGs translated in the west. Besides that CF3 would have been sweet for the same reason, although I'm not a big big fan of CF2. I think I got mid way through CF2 and kind of put it down, I have to give it another try.

ParanoiaDragon · 09/26/2011, 09:10 PM

I wouldn't necessarily give up 100% on CF3, Victor never has confirmed nor denied how much work was done on the game. I've never been able to get a straight answer out of him. Unfortunately, it's a Telenet product, so it might fall under Sunsoft, which, at first was looking like it was going to be doing wonderful things with it's properties.....but they seemed to have disapeared, & I have no idea what Victor is up to lately, other then some PS1 rereleases on PSN.

DragonmasterDan · 09/26/2011, 09:12 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 09/26/2011, 09:10 PMI wouldn't necessarily give up 100% on CF3, Victor never has confirmed nor denied how much work was done on the game. I've never been able to get a straight answer out of him. Unfortunately, it's a Telenet product, so it might fall under Sunsoft, which, at first was looking like it was going to be doing wonderful things with it's properties.....but they seemed to have disapeared, & I have no idea what Victor is up to lately, other then some PS1 rereleases on PSN.

I recall Vic answering this question on the old Working Designs message board way back when. I think a first draft of a script was done, but never added to the actual game.

ParanoiaDragon · 09/27/2011, 01:35 AM

Bummer, I hope more was done, just because that would rock so much if we eventually got a completed version of that game!

offsidewing · 10/23/2011, 10:50 AM

Quote from: MotherGunner on 09/22/2011, 03:36 PMDoesn't really count, but: Mortal Kombat.

Ditto

spenoza · 10/25/2011, 01:32 AM

Does anyone know if Mortal Kombat was just offered up in a preliminary fashion, or was any of the coding actually complete?

CrackTiger · 10/25/2011, 07:51 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/25/2011, 01:32 AMDoes anyone know if Mortal Kombat was just offered up in a preliminary fashion, or was any of the coding actually complete?

Only the license was offered as an exclusive. Midway didn't handle any of the console ports. Even if Nec/TTi had gone for the deal, they probably would've had the team behind Talespin or something do the port and it would have done more damage than good.

Arkhan Asylum · 10/25/2011, 08:28 AM

You can't really make Mortal Kombat any shittier , to be honest.

PCEngineHell · 10/25/2011, 08:46 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/25/2011, 08:28 AMYou can't really make Mortal Kombat any shittier , to be honest.

Mortal Kombat was fine for its time, and yeah, it was made shity, via Gameboy and Gamegear. Most all of the Mk ports suffer from some issue or another other then the Dos Cd release from the MK1/MK2 Collection for Dos. That one is about the only near perfect port from that time period of the game. Link to video of it:

Arkhan Asylum · 10/25/2011, 09:39 AM

I was never into the herky jerky quality of it, or the way the moves were done. I did really like Raiden, and only use him ever.

I blame the janky motion capture stuff. It just looks funny. I much preferred Street Fighter 2 and the games that play like it.

and, I hate that Street Fighter: The Movie fighting game. It's like Mortal Kombat for me.

I remember renting MK2 when I was younger and got a kick out of it for maybe 30 minutes, and then went "meh" and played Battletoads!

offsidewing · 10/25/2011, 03:45 PM

Interesting tid bit, as I package off stuff I'm selling, I flipped through the pages of Turbo Force Vol 1 Issue 4 and noticed there is a screen shot of Dangerous Journeys in the 'Coming Attractions' section for the Winter CES 1993.

machomadness · 10/28/2011, 03:55 AM

Playing the CD-R of the Fantasy Star Soldier prototype, it's so addicting and fun, it's a damn shame it was never released....

nat · 10/29/2011, 02:50 PM

How does it differ from Star Parodia? I was under the impression they were identical except for the title screen.

roflmao · 10/29/2011, 03:39 PM

Quote from: nat on 10/29/2011, 02:50 PMHow does it differ from Star Parodia? I was under the impression they were identical except for the title screen.

That what I thought as well. Star Parodier is an excellent game, and can be found relatively cheap on ebay (at least it could be when I picked it up a handful of months ago).

henrycsc · 11/01/2011, 11:24 PM

I just got the 1993 Club Duo Volume 1 catalog from Offsidewing - thanks man!

It has quite a few unreleased titles in it (as vestcoast mentioned). The catalog was bold enough to actually list part numbers and dates for these games, and several have screen shots.

Here is a complete list of unreleased US titles

Battle Load Runner Hu TGX020094 October
Macross 2036 SLG SCD TGXCD1049 August
Wizardry 1 & 2 SCD TGXCD1050 September
Macross 2036 SCD (No part number here) July
King of Monsters 2 SCD WTG990502 September (Screenshot shows King of the Monsters 2)
World Heroes SCD WTG990503 October

I have scanned the catalog and sent copies to Esteban so he can post good quality scans on the Turbo Play Magazine Archives.

I know he's working on a bunch of stuff right now, but hopefully you'll see the update soon.
https://archives.tg-16.com/index.htm

Here's King of Monsters 2
/kingofthemonsters2.jpg

nat · 11/02/2011, 08:22 PM

It says those KoM 2 shots were taken from the arcade, makes me skeptical about how far along the Duo version actually was. It probably never really even got off the ground.

henrycsc · 11/02/2011, 08:59 PM

It does say that for "the above photos" but not for the title screen. It would be cool if it was close.

T2KFreeker · 11/03/2011, 12:09 AM

Why is Neutopia 3 not on this list?

jlued686 · 12/05/2011, 02:52 PM

Quote from: T2KFreeker on 11/03/2011, 12:09 AMWhy is Neutopia 3 not on this list?

Was that ever announced? I don't recall that.

ParanoiaDragon · 12/06/2011, 04:30 AM

Neutopia 3 was implied at the end of Neutopia 2.

esteban · 12/06/2011, 08:13 AM

THERE IS ONLY ONE ACCEPTABLE ANSWER to this question:

Namely, Far East of Eden 2.

All the $$$ and labor that goes into localizing a game like that...

Now, I doubt there was any chance it would have been localized, but I am still crestfallen, even after all these years.

turbofan1 · 12/06/2011, 09:41 AM

I'm probably in the minority,but Tv Sports Baseball was one of the games I was looking forward to.Since the turbo only had one baseball game to begin with.And also Macross 2036 and Populous.I knew we were never going to get any of the Konami games.And I could of gave two shits about Working Designs doing those Neo Geo ports.And as ParanoiaDragon mentioned,it would of been interesting to see what king of game Rift War Saga was.

snickersbar · 12/06/2011, 02:59 PM

I voted for bonk IV I think it would of been a great game

VestCunt · 12/06/2011, 05:50 PM

Quote from: turbofan1 on 12/06/2011, 09:41 AMAnd also Macross 2036 and Populous.

I don't understand the frustration with titles like this. I have them on my shelf, there's no region lockout, no language barrier, and they're not expensive to import. The real loss are the games that were never released anywhere, then games that require Japanese, then the rest.

turbofan1 · 12/07/2011, 02:03 AM

Quote from: guest on 12/06/2011, 05:50 PM
Quote from: turbofan1 on 12/06/2011, 09:41 AMAnd also Macross 2036 and Populous.
I don't understand the frustration with titles like this. I have them on my shelf, there's no region lockout, no language barrier, and they're not expensive to import. The real loss are the games that were never released anywhere, then games that require Japanese, then the rest.

Well I'm thinking back to 1993,not today.Back than you didn`t have ebay and all these resources to find these games.Only way of getting pc engine games,was to buy them through A magazine.And its not like it was cheap back than to imports those games.

tg16manaic · 12/14/2011, 11:11 PM

Quote from: turbofan1 on 12/06/2011, 09:41 AMI'm probably in the minority,but Tv Sports Baseball was one of the games I was looking forward to.Since the turbo only had one baseball game to begin with.And also Macross 2036 and Populous.I knew we were never going to get any of the Konami games.And I could of gave two shits about Working Designs doing those Neo Geo ports.And as ParanoiaDragon mentioned,it would of been interesting to see what king of game Rift War Saga was.

You're not alone turbofan1, i was also looking forward to TV Sports Baseball. It looked so cool in the club turbo catalog. As a matter of fact, i remember going to the mall and actually seeing it for sale at compucentre here in canada. I remember holding it in my hands, reading the back, but i ended up buying Air Zonk instead. True Story. I know people say it wasn't released, but i totally remember that. It's a memory that sticks out in my head. I remember regretting buying air zonk, and wishing i had bought TV Sports Baseball instead. Believe it or not lol.

MotherGunner · 12/15/2011, 12:00 AM

Quote from: tg16manaic on 12/14/2011, 11:11 PM
Quote from: turbofan1 on 12/06/2011, 09:41 AMI'm probably in the minority,but Tv Sports Baseball was one of the games I was looking forward to.Since the turbo only had one baseball game to begin with.And also Macross 2036 and Populous.I knew we were never going to get any of the Konami games.And I could of gave two shits about Working Designs doing those Neo Geo ports.And as ParanoiaDragon mentioned,it would of been interesting to see what king of game Rift War Saga was.
You're not alone turbofan1, i was also looking forward to TV Sports Baseball. It looked so cool in the club turbo catalog. As a matter of fact, i remember going to the mall and actually seeing it for sale at compucentre here in canada. I remember holding it in my hands, reading the back, but i ended up buying Air Zonk instead. True Story. I know people say it wasn't released, but i totally remember that. It's a memory that sticks out in my head. I remember regretting buying air zonk, and wishing i had bought TV Sports Baseball instead. Believe it or not lol.

LOL what??