The SNES (shitty nintenderp excrement system) Hate Thread

Mathius · 10/31/2013, 07:58 PM

I wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD

Xak · 10/31/2013, 08:16 PM

^that game is awesome and so in depth. Just when I thought the american version was cool , the Japanese version lays it to rest in peace R.I.P. B.I.G.

Tatsujin · 10/31/2013, 08:31 PM

Valken sure is one gem on the SFC. best mech physics ever.

Mathius · 10/31/2013, 08:39 PM

I would at least add Macross to that list. Great all around shootie with enough challenge to make Runinruder and Old Rover (PCFX's resident shmup heroes) sweat.

Forgive me if I forgot anyone who has achieved enough to be deemed a "hero"

Xak · 10/31/2013, 09:33 PM

I want to add Nintendo Murder Club to the list of good games. I believe thats the name. A SNES graphic adventure that the japanese used to love making in the late 80s early 90s. We have tons untranslated gems like it for PCE such as Dead of the Brain

Mathius · 10/31/2013, 09:44 PM

Quote from: Xak on 10/31/2013, 09:33 PMI want to add Nintendo Murder Club to the list of good games. I believe thats the name. A SNES graphic adventure that the japanese used to love making in the late 80s early 90s. We have tons untranslated gems like it for PCE such as Dead of the Brain

That game is definitely excellent! I need to continue playing through it on my Xbox emulator. It's too bad it wasn't translated and that repro carts are so expensive. But if you think about it they aren't any more expensive than a new cartridge would retail for back then.,

CrackTiger · 10/31/2013, 10:09 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 07:58 PMI wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD

I'm glad that we got different versions. It may have seemed unfair if we knew about it while young and poor. But we now have decades to play every version of any game in many different ways.

Mathius · 10/31/2013, 10:17 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/31/2013, 10:09 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 07:58 PMI wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD
I'm glad that we got different versions. It may have seemed unfair if we knew about it while young and poor. But we now have decades to play every version of any game in many different ways.

True. Just wish I didn't have to emulate it while using a terrible d-pad. I need to find some kind of adapter for my Xbox to change controllers.

Xak · 11/01/2013, 12:31 AM

Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 09:44 PMThat game is definitely excellent! I need to continue playing through it on my Xbox emulator. It's too bad it wasn't translated and that repro carts are so expensive. But if you think about it they aren't any more expensive than a new cartridge would retail for back then.,

Actually it was translated or I would not have been able to play it.

Famicom Tantei Club part 2 is the name of the game

CrackTiger · 11/01/2013, 07:31 AM

Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 10:17 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 10/31/2013, 10:09 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 07:58 PMI wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD
I'm glad that we got different versions. It may have seemed unfair if we knew about it while young and poor. But we now have decades to play every version of any game in many different ways.
True. Just wish I didn't have to emulate it while using a terrible d-pad. I need to find some kind of adapter for my Xbox to change controllers.

SNES flashcarts are cheap. Worth buying even if only to use for translations.

Mathius · 11/01/2013, 03:29 PM

Quote from: Xak on 11/01/2013, 12:31 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 09:44 PMThat game is definitely excellent! I need to continue playing through it on my Xbox emulator. It's too bad it wasn't translated and that repro carts are so expensive. But if you think about it they aren't any more expensive than a new cartridge would retail for back then.,
Actually it was translated or I would not have been able to play it.

Famicom Tantei Club part 2 is the name of the game

I brainfarted. I meant to say "ported" to the US SNES. Not "translated".

CGQuarterly · 11/01/2013, 03:32 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/30/2013, 10:16 PM
Quote from: Arjak on 10/29/2013, 12:36 PMSorry, vestcunt. You're wrong. Thanks for calling me an asshole just for being interested in playing good games I didn't have back in the day on genuine hardware, though. Silly me for owning a Genesis back in the day! I should've known better that SNES games would have their prices jacked up so high. I'll be sure to pass on to anyone complaining about how expensive Turbo games are that they're being assholes, and that they should be grateful that Magical Chase only costs as much as it does.
There's nothing wrong with playing Genesis BITD, but what stopped you from checking out the SNES over the sixteen years since the Genny was discontinued?

There are plenty of attractive SNES games that are now outrageously expensive, but no one should have any cause for surprise or regrets. Ebay inflation has been painfully obvious since at least the mid-2000's. Hipsters fired the first warning shots around the same time with retro Mega Man & Mario t-shirts. We've all lived our lives, made choices, and had access to the same information since the 16-bit era ended. If you were truly interested in the SNES, you'd own SNES games.

For myself, while everyone else was wasting their money on Playstation, XBOX, Wii, and every other piece of plastic crap that came out, I bought all of the TurboGrafx and PC Engine games I ever wanted. I bought the SMS set. I bought all of the NES RPGs. I collected a shitload of D&D books and music CD's. I basically bought everything I was interested in as a kid, all while recovering from alcoholism, putting myself through school, and living below the poverty line. I'd love to have a Saturn, Sega CD, and a few more SNES games, but I'm happy with what I got. I own more games than I'll ever play and my video game consumption has to stop somewhere; it might as well be staring at an asshole's $100 listing for Demon's Crest.

That's the same thing I was thinking when I read his reply. But you can't fault him for not being able to foresee the sudden rise in prices of SNES cartridges, and of retrogaming in general. I got my SNES about 10 years ago, so like you I already have pretty much every game that I want for it, and now that I have an EverDrive it doesn't really matter anyway. But I do feel bad for people who've been into classic games since it wasn't the hip thing to do, but waited too long to get in to a particular console. I'm just now getting in to MVS, and it's definitely costing me extra.

I've had a copy of Chrono Trigger on the shelf for at least 5 years and still haven't played it. I also have a copy for the DS that I haven't even opened yet. I want to play it, but I've played enough JRPGs that I have a hard time getting excited about them anymore. I like the SNES a lot, but I don't think I've played through a single one of the RPGs that it's known for. I made it most of the way through Final Fantasy II, but that was on the PSX compilation disc. FF Anthology or whatever.

Mathius · 11/01/2013, 07:42 PM

Quote from: guest on 11/01/2013, 07:31 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 10:17 PM
Quote from: guest on 10/31/2013, 10:09 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 07:58 PMI wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD
I'm glad that we got different versions. It may have seemed unfair if we knew about it while young and poor. But we now have decades to play every version of any game in many different ways.
True. Just wish I didn't have to emulate it while using a terrible d-pad. I need to find some kind of adapter for my Xbox to change controllers.
SNES flashcarts are cheap. Worth buying even if only to use for translations.

I forgot about the flashcarts. I was going to get one from RetroUSB but they are pretty expensive. Can anyone recommend any others? I know that Retrogate sells them too but there seems to be multiple choices available. Kind of confusing.

CrackTiger · 11/01/2013, 08:39 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 11/01/2013, 07:42 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 11/01/2013, 07:31 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 10:17 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 10/31/2013, 10:09 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 07:58 PMI wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD
I'm glad that we got different versions. It may have seemed unfair if we knew about it while young and poor. But we now have decades to play every version of any game in many different ways.
True. Just wish I didn't have to emulate it while using a terrible d-pad. I need to find some kind of adapter for my Xbox to change controllers.
SNES flashcarts are cheap. Worth buying even if only to use for translations.
I forgot about the flashcarts. I was going to get one from RetroUSB but they are pretty expensive. Can anyone recommend any others? I know that Retrogate sells them too but there seems to be multiple choices available. Kind of confusing.

I just bought cheapo one for around $50 (UFO or something). The Super Everdrive is top quality and doesn't lack much. It's $79 at retrogate.

Xak · 11/01/2013, 10:46 PM

Heracles 3

esadajr · 01/23/2014, 04:55 PM

I have great memories playing at other people's homes (I had a Genesis). Be it sports, fighting and the ocasional platformer (Yoshi's Island is an awesome game).

TR0N · 01/25/2014, 04:05 AM

Quote from: Mathius on 11/01/2013, 07:42 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/01/2013, 07:31 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 10:17 PM
Quote from: guest on 10/31/2013, 10:09 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 10/31/2013, 07:58 PMI wish we got the same version of Assault Suits Valken that the Japanese did. The character portraits add so much more to the game. I can play the SNES version patched with the SCF portraits on my Xbox but the d-pad on the controller is horrendous.

SNES rules!

...so does the PCE

...and the Genesis/Sega CD
I'm glad that we got different versions. It may have seemed unfair if we knew about it while young and poor. But we now have decades to play every version of any game in many different ways.
True. Just wish I didn't have to emulate it while using a terrible d-pad. I need to find some kind of adapter for my Xbox to change controllers.
SNES flashcarts are cheap. Worth buying even if only to use for translations.
I forgot about the flashcarts. I was going to get one from RetroUSB but they are pretty expensive. Can anyone recommend any others? I know that Retrogate sells them too but there seems to be multiple choices available. Kind of confusing.

SNES,flashcarts try for a S2DSNES or a Super Everdrive.I'm sure not upset over how much snes games go for now,since i didn't buy a sfc until a few years back.I have a super everdrive and it suits me fine or i'll just import,it's just cheaper then the u.s version of games.

PukeSter · 08/30/2015, 05:22 PM

Kinda feel the need to bump this.

The more PCE games I play, the more I appreciate the console. A great mix of arcadey gameplay with solid and unique ideas. Dozens and dozens of solid HuCards, as well as some truly impressive CD titles.

It is quite hard finding SNES games with not just great graphics, but also good gameplay. Many games are very slowwww. There's honestly a handful I like, and most of them are Nintendo games.

Rondo of Blood is such an amazing game. Why are both the SNES games so dull and boring?

Having played Neutopia, it's certainly more fun to play than LTTP. Dungeon Explorer is also more fun to play. Neutopia 2 looks damn awesome, since the open world is connected so I can't wait to play it.

River City Ransom PCE is so much better than the SNES sequel. That game has way too much text and only one attack button.

PCE has a plethora of shooters and the SNES really doesn't have much other than the Parodius games. Boring.

Then there's also shit like this.

http://www.gamespresso.com/2015/08/25/opinion-piece-why-earthbound-was-the-greatest-rpg-of-the-16-bit-era/

Wtf? This is getting out of hand, and the SNES translators like Aeon Genesis don't even bother with PCE.

o.pwuaioc · 08/30/2015, 05:28 PM

What a U-turn you made in just 2 years.

deubeul · 08/30/2015, 09:15 PM

The one thing I hate the most about the SNES, appart the hype it got and still get from the clueless sheeps, is its awfull plastic gamepad.

Plus I never really felt much excitement playing big titles on it, even back in the days, compared to how juiced I could be playing a random shitty PcE game.

To me the game that perfectly illustrates my feelings for the SNES is AXELAY: Damn beautifull, but absolute boring shit gameplay wise.

PCEngineHell · 08/31/2015, 12:54 AM

Love my Snes, and I love my games I have on it. Way too many good ones to enjoy. Sorry you don't like it, but whatever, different strokes for different folks. Not everyone enjoys every systems library of games, so to each their own.

o.pwuaioc · 08/31/2015, 01:25 AM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 08/31/2015, 12:54 AMLove my Snes, and I love my games I have on it. Way too many good ones to enjoy. Sorry you don't like it, but whatever, different strokes for different folks. Not everyone enjoys every systems library of games, so to each their own.

Yep yep. The Super Nintendo is great. I haven't touched it in a while, but it's still great. I think given a choice between the two, the SNES would win for me over the PC Engine, but I'd rather not be without either. The whole era was phenomenal, best of its class.

johnnykonami · 08/31/2015, 01:32 AM

Definitely don't hate the SNES, bunch of great games for it (Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie, Super Metroid, Majuu Oh, etc.) I have some pretty good memories of my buddies picking up some cool imports for it. I never owned one myself when it was out, but I did pick one up long after it's heyday.

What drives me nuts is I have a dickhole of a friend who still lives and breathes the 16-bit console wars and talks about how much better the SNES was than the Genesis, TG-16, etc. He routinely hates on the other stuff that was out at the time and totally disregards some amazing titles just because he feels they were on an inferior platform. We're both well into our thirties, it's kinda sad I find myself having arguments about this to this day!

EvilEvoIX · 08/31/2015, 09:59 AM

It's fun to hate on the SNES at times but it is a phenomenal system and survived a but into the 32 Bit Era. Great system, could be Nintendo's peak, at least I think it is.

Dicer · 09/01/2015, 01:03 AM

I love the SNES sound...

that said they could have used a faster CPU, I mean devs worked around it as time went on, but it really hinders some really otherwise awesome SHMUPS...

Other than that I have no beef with the SNES, if anything I'm not a huge fan of the NES, too limiting and the SMS was the superior console.

esteban · 09/01/2015, 01:26 AM

Quote from: Dicer on 09/01/2015, 01:03 AMI love the SNES sound...

that said they could have used a faster CPU, I mean devs worked around it as time went on, but it really hinders some really otherwise awesome SHMUPS...

Other than that I have no beef with the SNES, if anything I'm not a huge fan of the NES, too limiting and the SMS was the superior console.

NES/FC = best console, crushing all others.

Except for PCE...

Dicer · 09/01/2015, 11:54 AM

Quote from: esteban on 09/01/2015, 01:26 AM
Quote from: Dicer on 09/01/2015, 01:03 AMI love the SNES sound...

that said they could have used a faster CPU, I mean devs worked around it as time went on, but it really hinders some really otherwise awesome SHMUPS...

Other than that I have no beef with the SNES, if anything I'm not a huge fan of the NES, too limiting and the SMS was the superior console.
NES/FC = best console, crushing all others.

Except for PCE...

NES/FC had quantity, which means more great software by efault, but the hardware is limiting, unless you are coding gods like sunsoft were, the SMS is better hardware and lended itself to greatness like Phantasy Star.

But yes PCE trumps all...

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/01/2015, 12:22 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/13/2013, 01:18 AMAll the 8/16-bit systems get my love (with one obvious favorite) but I don't understand the snes hate around here. F-Zero, Mario Kart, Final Fantasy II, Super Mario World, Link to the Past, Super Smash TV, and a ton of other great games instantly come to mind that I play regularly on my SNES.

I play my SNES far more than my Genny.

I really don't get the hate.

Well the Genesis is great for violence and beating the crap out of people and BLOOD! The SNES is the tamer,nicer system with great RPGs and platformers! I love them both, hate on the 3DO or something that's where the shit hits the fan >

esteban · 09/01/2015, 01:38 PM

Quote from: Dicer on 09/01/2015, 11:54 AM
Quote from: esteban on 09/01/2015, 01:26 AM
Quote from: Dicer on 09/01/2015, 01:03 AMI love the SNES sound...

that said they could have used a faster CPU, I mean devs worked around it as time went on, but it really hinders some really otherwise awesome SHMUPS...

Other than that I have no beef with the SNES, if anything I'm not a huge fan of the NES, too limiting and the SMS was the superior console.
NES/FC = best console, crushing all others.

Except for PCE...
NES/FC had quantity, which means more great software by efault, but the hardware is limiting, unless you are coding gods like sunsoft were, the SMS is better hardware and lended itself to greatness like Phantasy Star.

But yes PCE trumps all...

The number of awesome games on NES/FC crushes the allegedly superior tech specs of SMS.

I have SMS, I love the poor little bastard, but the library is completely outclassed by more, and better, games on NES/FC.

I still play SMS, but, damn, if only it had been more successful in NA, and received the support it deserved. Oh well.

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/02/2015, 10:02 AM

Quote from: esteban on 09/01/2015, 01:38 PM
Quote from: Dicer on 09/01/2015, 11:54 AM
Quote from: esteban on 09/01/2015, 01:26 AM
Quote from: Dicer on 09/01/2015, 01:03 AMI love the SNES sound...

that said they could have used a faster CPU, I mean devs worked around it as time went on, but it really hinders some really otherwise awesome SHMUPS...

Other than that I have no beef with the SNES, if anything I'm not a huge fan of the NES, too limiting and the SMS was the superior console.
NES/FC = best console, crushing all others.

Except for PCE...
NES/FC had quantity, which means more great software by efault, but the hardware is limiting, unless you are coding gods like sunsoft were, the SMS is better hardware and lended itself to greatness like Phantasy Star.

But yes PCE trumps all...
The number of awesome games on NES/FC crushes the allegedly superior tech specs of SMS.

I have SMS, I love the poor little bastard, but the library is completely outclassed by more, and better, games on NES/FC.

I still play SMS, but, damn, if only it had been more successful in NA, and received the support it deserved. Oh well.

Well like someone said NES was quantity over quality(except a few really good games!) when SMS is quality over quantity but the SMS could have gotten more respect in the us here SMS is popular And well liked!

esteban · 09/02/2015, 02:29 PM

How else can I say this?

The crap:quality ratio DOES NOT MATTER.

There are, literally, a GREATER QUANTITY of EXCELLENT GAMES in the NES/FC library.

We are living in 2015. We have the benefit of online resources to guide our purchases. SO THE QUALITY:CRAP ratio is a metric that is useless.

The SNES has a ton of excellent games, too, that fully warrant its purchase.

Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

CrackTiger · 09/02/2015, 03:24 PM

I can't articulate it well enough in this free moment on my phone, but so many SMS games have a magical quality to them which transcends hardware and provide experiences you won't find at all in the NES/Famicom library. The quantity of excellent NES games is irrelevant, as the SMS library is not interchangeable with other libraries and cancelling out games doesn't really work the way people intend.

I'm not someone who only had a SMS at the time and only got into NES games years later. I've been playing both as long as they've been around and nothing for NES has made me feel the way that so many SMS game do and it only increases as time goes on and I appreciate them all the more.

esteban · 09/02/2015, 05:21 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 03:24 PMI can't articulate it well enough in this free moment on my phone, but so many SMS games have a magical quality to them which transcends hardware and provide experiences you won't find at all in the NES/Famicom library. The quantity of excellent NES games is irrelevant, as the SMS library is not interchangeable with other libraries and cancelling out games doesn't really work the way people intend.

I'm not someone who only had a SMS at the time and only got into NES games years later. I've been playing both as long as they've been around and nothing for NES has made me feel the way that so many SMS game do and it only increases as time goes on and I appreciate them all the more.

I have all the amazing SMS games (except for glasses/light gun—I relied on my friend for that stuff, and I have since moved). I love SMS. There is no way that SMS can be cancelled out of existence. I love the mediocre and less-than-mediocre SMS games, too.

I was responding to some earlier, silly post that suggested that SMS somehow outclasses the NES/FC library...and it simply can't.

BOTH LIBRARIES have irreplaceable gems. And unique good games/average games/stinkers.

If I had to choose between them, I would obviously choose the NES/FC, because it had, literally, tons of great stuff. To say otherwise is silly.

Again, I am trying to counter the idea that SMS somehow outclasses NES/FC, which makes zero sense.

BOTH platforms are great. I love both.

But I would never choose SMS over NES/FC if I had to pick only one platform to pay for the rest of my life. M

Mathius · 09/02/2015, 07:25 PM

Play all of 'em. Appreciate all of 'em. Share all of 'em. Most importantly love all of 'em.

Don't short-change yourself out of ignorance.

*The More You Know*

(this is just a blanket statement not really directed at anyone specifically)

esteban · 09/02/2015, 07:40 PM

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/03/2015, 12:11 PM

So we talked about NES and SMS how about A7800? It's so underrated, so hated and unloved, I think it has really cool games and all and it plays A2600 too!

esadajr · 09/17/2015, 01:38 PM

This "rivalry" was kind of dumb but understandable at the same time. Back then most of us could only have one system so we had to justify our choice. It wasn't till the late 90s (you know the golden age of emulation) when I got into the SNES. Lots of great games, but sill don't regret my original choice.

JoshTurboTrollX · 09/17/2015, 02:12 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 09/02/2015, 07:25 PMPlay all of 'em. Appreciate all of 'em. Share all of 'em. Most importantly love all of 'em.

Don't short-change yourself out of ignorance.

*The More You Know*

(this is just a blanket statement not really directed at anyone specifically)

It may be a blanket. But it's a smart blanket.

Quote from: GreatBlueSwirlof99 on 09/03/2015, 12:11 PMSo we talked about NES and SMS how about A7800? It's so underrated, so hated and unloved, I think it has really cool games and all and it plays A2600 too!

I often wonder about this. Why did everyone instantly jump on the Master System as the #2 8-bit console of choice? The 7800 has the ENTIRE 2600 library along with a couple serious gems like Ball Blazer and Ninja Golf. After a party night of Ball Blazer with friends I can't believe the potential that was left on the table when this console was put to death. It looks so impressive and the music is really good too!!

For me, the best of that generation goes like:
1- NES
2- 7800
3- SMS

VenomMacbeth · 09/17/2015, 02:38 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 09/17/2015, 02:12 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 09/02/2015, 07:25 PMPlay all of 'em. Appreciate all of 'em. Share all of 'em. Most importantly love all of 'em.

Don't short-change yourself out of ignorance.

*The More You Know*

(this is just a blanket statement not really directed at anyone specifically)
It may be a blanket. But it's a smart blanket.

Quote from: GreatBlueSwirlof99 on 09/03/2015, 12:11 PMSo we talked about NES and SMS how about A7800? It's so underrated, so hated and unloved, I think it has really cool games and all and it plays A2600 too!
I often wonder about this. Why did everyone instantly jump on the Master System as the #2 8-bit console of choice? The 7800 has the ENTIRE 2600 library along with a couple serious gems like Ball Blazer and Ninja Golf. After a party night of Ball Blazer with friends I can't believe the potential that was left on the table when this console was put to death. It looks so impressive and the music is really good too!!

For me, the best of that generation goes like:
1- NES
2- 7800
3- SMS

I never thought I'd read where someone prefers the 7800 over the SMS. I see your reasoning but I can't help but disagree; the 7800 was nowhere near up to the task of competing with the NES or SMS, and factoring the library of the previous-generation console I think wouldn't do much to prolong its lifespan (I don't think the Genesis was boosted too much by the Power Base Converter, but then again the SMS didn't sell as well as the 2600).

CrackTiger · 09/17/2015, 02:49 PM

There's a big difference between quality and quantity.

I'd rather have Phantasy Star than the combined Atari libraries.

CGQuarterly · 09/17/2015, 03:25 PM

Quote from: VenomMacbeth on 09/17/2015, 02:38 PMI never thought I'd read where someone prefers the 7800 over the SMS. I see your reasoning but I can't help but disagree; the 7800 was nowhere near up to the task of competing with the NES or SMS, and factoring the library of the previous-generation console I think wouldn't do much to prolong its lifespan (I don't think the Genesis was boosted too much by the Power Base Converter, but then again the SMS didn't sell as well as the 2600).

I'd like some of whatever Josh is smoking. The 2600 library is a moot point. The 7800 had Ninja Golf and a bunch of re-hashes from the 2600 with somewhat better graphics. The SMS on the other hand is bad-ass.

esteban · 09/17/2015, 05:06 PM

No matter what the potential for 7800, it was never commercially realized with a library of games that could compete with the many, many great SMS games.

Mathius · 09/17/2015, 10:00 PM

Hey the 7800 had the 2nd best port of Mario Bros. I remember a TV advert that featured it bitd. I really wanted one just for that game.

Gentlegamer · 09/17/2015, 10:01 PM

Tank Pong is better than the whole SMS library.

esteban · 09/18/2015, 12:05 AM

Quote from: Gentlegamer on 09/17/2015, 10:01 PMTank Pong is better than the whole SMS library.

grolt · 09/18/2015, 02:00 AM

Seriously surprised anyone could ever suggest the train wreck that was the 7800 is even comparable to the other major 8-bit systems, let alone BETTER than the SMS. Sega's system had over 300 games worldwide, whereas the 7800 barely had 60, and most who know the SMS library know that it is comprised of a lot of unique, quality games and few sports or shovel ware. It is very comparable to the TG-16 library in that regard. Many of the best SMS games, like PHANTASY STAR, POWER STRIKE, GOLDEN AXE WARRIOR and WONDER BOY 3 go toe to toe with the best games on the NES, let alone the 7800. And that's to say nothing of the system's technical superiority, dual formats, 3D innovations and broad light gun support. The system and its library is excellent.

o.pwuaioc · 09/18/2015, 02:36 AM

I play my 7800 more than my SMS. The two biggest reasons are HERO (2600) and Centipede (7800). These games are just amazing and deftly crush anything the SMS puts out. Maybe once I perfect and get bored with HERO I'll start thinking differently, but as it is, that game is just awesome and perfect for the 30 minutes here and there I can only take these days.

My biggest grudge against the 7800 though is the sound chip. After the amazing 5200 chip, only using a TIA chip in most of the games is worse than disappointing. POKEY sounds good when it is used, but it's only used in a very small handful of games (Ballblazer being one mentioned earlier).

I like the MS enough, but I think devotion to it is too much; it's a tad on the overrated side among Nintendo-haters (albeit, underrated from those Nintendo freaks).

CrackTiger · 09/18/2015, 07:40 AM

Does Centipede 7800 really crush Centipede SMS?

esteban · 09/18/2015, 07:49 AM

Quote from: guest on 09/18/2015, 02:36 AMI play my 7800 more than my SMS. The two biggest reasons are HERO (2600) and Centipede (7800). These games are just amazing and deftly crush anything the SMS puts out. Maybe once I perfect and get bored with HERO I'll start thinking differently, but as it is, that game is just awesome and perfect for the 30 minutes here and there I can only take these days.

My biggest grudge against the 7800 though is the sound chip. After the amazing 5200 chip, only using a TIA chip in most of the games is worse than disappointing. POKEY sounds good when it is used, but it's only used in a very small handful of games (Ballblazer being one mentioned earlier).

I like the MS enough, but I think devotion to it is too much; it's a tad on the overrated side among Nintendo-haters (albeit, underrated from those Nintendo freaks).

I agree that the 7800 has some decent games. My friend had trackball + Centipede and it was sweet.

I also agree that some folks really seem to downplay NES/Famicom library (which has tons of unique, amazing or just plain addictive games) and put SMS/Mark III on some sort of pedestal (when I think both consoles should SHARE the pedestal).

Sadly, the 7800 library is pretty damn thin, so I would never choose it for the desert island

esteban · 09/18/2015, 07:58 AM

Quote from: guest on 09/18/2015, 07:40 AMDoes Centipede 7800 really crush Centipede SMS?

The SMS d-pad sucks in general. It is a shame Sega didn't recognize this immediately.

Atari has a history of crappy controllers, too.

So, I am just scratching my head, wondering how many games would have been far more satisfying when paired with a good controller.

For the record, I have never found the MegaDrive/Genesis controller to be amazing. It is OK, but it doesn't work for me (when precision is called for).

I deal with it, as a man should, but it has never been a fave.

I don't know why I turned this into a discussion of controllers...ha!

Oh....SMS Centipede sucks with the SMS pad.